ELP Digest Tuesday, 24 March 1998 Volume 8 : Issue 3 The "See The Sign" Edition Today's Topics: A Call To Liven Up This List ELP Lobster Feast Giveaway Will Alexander interview in EQ magazine FS- Rare ELP item, i'd prefer to see one of the members of ELP get it. Re: Travers ELP website!?! MOOG COOKBOOK ELP Show in Wallingford, CT Tarkestra, Bolero The Atlantic Years Giger New ELP Singles Discography Book KBFH and Isle of Wight CD's Drum transcriptions ELP show; Auburn Hills, Michigan 9/18/97 Digest 7.19: The Nice and Top Gear Allegro Barbaro KE Performance Questions Answered ELP - Are they too old for this ? Hammond sounds Prelude ======= 2 Contests/Giveaways announced here! I hope that's something to assuage the concerns of those of you who have wondered what the heck is going on with the Digest. (It's the end of March and we're only on issue #3! Yikes!) On with the show. - John - ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Doug.David@tellabs.com, on 3/5/98 11:26 AM: To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Cc: djdavid@xnet.com Subject: A Call To Liven Up This List Hello Everyone, First off I'd like to say how much I have enjoyed this list over the years and what a great job John has done with keeping it going. I have learned a lot and kept informed on many things that I would not have had access to without this great list. However, recently it seems the discussion has diminised to practically nothing and I think the format of the list is to blame for that. I am a member of the Kansas mailing list as well and the discussion there is always booming. This list used to be a mail list where you sent out a message and it went directly to everyones mailbox immediately. It was great. There was never a lack of topics or discussions going on. John has been a busy man lately, I know how that can be. I think returning the list to its old format would both free up John's time, and would get the discussion on this list going again. I, for one, have not posted to this list in ages because of the fact that it sometimes takes weeks for my posting to show up in the next digest, and then weeks for the replies to show up in the digest after that. Kind of kills discussions. Lets get this list alive again!!!! Lets talk about ELP!!!! What does everyone think??? Doug David [ Editor's Note: Doug sent me this note completely unsolicited. I fully understand what he's saying and want to do what is best for the list. Back when it was a "bounce list", there were about 50-100 people on the list. Maybe fewer. Now there are 1,480! That's great. But it does mean that the amount of ELP mail I have to sift through does get out of hand at times. And, since I've been very busy since the start of 1998, the Digest haven't been too plentiful. I don't think the ELP Digest could really go back to a bounce list. Mostly, because it would, at least, need to be moderated to keep the junk mail out of the list. Also, I like having the ELP mail bundled up in a package that can be read in one piece rather than getting 5-10 separate messages a day that I have to read and put some kind of thread together in my mind. However, perhaps the current size of the ELP Digest would be conducive to being run as a moderated mailing list. In this model, I wouldn't have to "personalize" each issue and put it together. I'd just look over the incoming ELP Digest mail and either approve/disapprove it. Approved mail could be bundled up by a program like majordomo (an email list manager program) and mailed out every day or every 10 messages or something like that. The internet service provider I'm currently using doesn't support this kind of list. But I'm willing to look around for a way to do this even if it means getting an account at someplace that does support it. But, I only want to provide the ELP Digest in the way most people want to receive it. So, I'm going to use this as an excuse for another contest. Everyone who sends in their vote/ideas/comments on the "best way" for the ELP Digest to continue. Back in December, I was pleased that Rhino Records gave me some extra copies of the rare, promotional CD: "From the Beginning: The Music and Times of Greg lake". It's a 60-minute CD of music and interviews that was released to radio stations, etc. in conjunction with the release of the Greg Lake 2-CD set on Rhino. It even includes some excerpts from rarities like "Too Old To Go Away Little Girl" by The Shame that Greg and friends recorded in 1967! So, here's the deal... Send your ideas on how the ELP Digest should change, stay the same, etc. to the SPECIAL e-mail address: feedback@reluctant.com I'll read every one and report back on what kind of consensus there is. And we'll move on from there. And... I'll randomly choose 25 people from those who send e-mail sent to the "feedback" address before May 1, 1998 and send them a FREE copy of this promotional CD. So, gather your thoughts and send them to me at feedback@reluctant.com I'll look forward to hearing from you! Thanks for getting this idea going, Doug. - John - ] ------------------------------ From: "Harry T. Stone" , on 3/24/98 8:08 PM: To: John Arnold Subject: ELP Lobster Feast Giveaway ELP and music fans!!!! Do you like lobster? Want to win some? The ELP Tribute site is having a contest! I will be giving away a complete fresh live lobster feast for 2 delivered to your home (Value $100). Everything is included right down to the bibs. Playing the contest is simple, just visit the ELP Tribute Site for details. The contest will begin on April 1st but YOU have a chance to enter now! http://www.execpc.com/~usdyver/elp/ Thanks so much Harry T. -- "Guaranteed to blow your head apart" Visit the ELP Tribute site http://www.execpc.com/~usdyver/elp/ You gotta see the show!!!!! ------------------------------ From: thefront@interport.net (TONE), on 3/8/98 11:16 PM: To: John Arnold Subject: Will Alexander interview in EQ magazine Hello John: I just wanted to let you know that my interview with Will Alexander is in the new issue of EQ Magazine. It's the David Tickle issue (vol 9 issue 3). The interview is on pg 108. If you'd like, let the rest of the ELP digest know. Thanks And All The Best, Tony Di Lorenzo Front Room Productions _____________________________________________ E-mail us at... thefront@interport.net ______________________________________________ F r o n t R o o m P r o d u c t i o n s Sound Developers For Kurzweil Synthesizers. ______________________________________________ P l e a s e V i s i t T h e F r o n t R o o m. http://www.interport.net/~thefront/index.html ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: Graveside Entertainment , on 3/8/98 5:01 PM: To: elp-digest-web@reluctant.com Subject: FS- Rare ELP item, i'd prefer to see one of the members of ELP get it. The url is http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7825829 It's on auction: a 35mm print of the Montreal concert. Very rare. Thanks! Glen Check out the Website at: http://www.graveside.com/ or our mirror site at http://www.jacksonville.net/~gravesde/n or Contact us via: E-mail: cemetery@graveside.com or gravesde@mediaone.net Postal Mail: Graveside Entertainment 950-23 Blanding Blvd. Suite 311 Orange Park, Fla 32065 904-772-9042 VOICE 904-777-3427 FAX ------------------------------ From: fsteama@dircon.co.uk (Mike Goode), on 11/8/97 1:00 PM: To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Re: Travers Further to the mail re America, I remember reading in a music paper in the late Seventies/early Eighties that Travers had recorded a version of Tarkus! Now that would be good... I wonder what happened to the tapes... Mike PS. I've recently been given a tape of the Aphrodites Child album 666. In places it is VERY early ELP influenced -- does anyone know what their other stuff is/was like? I never put Vangelis down for an Emo fan but there you are. Our man Demis doesn't sound like Greg by the way (God forbid) but is a brilliant bass player! I wonder what inspired his career change to a be-frocked warbler? ------------------------------ From: Henrik Hallgren , on 11/7/97 4:12 PM: To: ELP digest Subject: ELP website!?! Hi there! It's my first posting to this list although I've reading about the ELP tour in Europe and enjoyed the stuff very much. I've been listening to them for many years but never seen them live, hope I get a chance to see them in the future. My problem now is that I can't get into their website at the address shown on the list. Anyone else who have the same problem? btw. I saw PLP (Per Lindh Project) in august on the progfest in Stockholm and they were great. per himself did some wonderful stuff with his hammond. Cheers Henrik [ Editor's Note: The links to the official ELP web site (http://www.dynrec.com/elp) from the ELP DDigest web site (http://bliss.berkeley.edu/elp) are working fine. There's a pretty big graphic on the official site's entry page, so please try again and be patient. Good luck! - John - ] ========================================================== Henrik Hallgren, Stapelvägen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik.hallgren@sundsvall.mail.telia.com / henrik.hallgren@ortv.sca.se Fax +46 (0)70 6101310 / Phone +46 (0)60 173716 ------------------------------ From: "Martin Kornick" , on 11/6/97 9:01 AM: To: "ELP Digest" Subject: MOOG COOKBOOK ELP Digest, If anyone out there likes stuff in the vein of "Switched on Bach", there is a NEW CD out called "THE MOOG COOKBOOK". Created by Roger Manning (formerly of Jellyfish) using ALL vintage keyboards & syntisyzers. Roger recreates classic rock songs Such as Cat Scratch Fever, Whole Lotta Love, Boston's More Than A Feeling, & Hotel California. It is hilarious & jammin'. He even uses a few bars from Karn Evil 9 & America!!! Also gives thanks to everyone from Rick Wakeman to Linda McCartney. If you liked Switched on Bach and all those other goofy Moog LP's from the 70's, pry yourself away from your computer NOW, and run to your CD store!!!! It's GREAT!!!! --Martin Kornick ------------------------------ From: dankra@juno.com (Daniel E Krause), on 11/5/97 12:25 PM: To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: ELP Show in Wallingford, CT ELP's 9/7 show at the Oakdale Theater was my fifth (two in the late 70's and three in the 90's). Next to the shows in the 70's this was the best performance I've seen. GL can no longer sing as he used to - the only accompaniment being his acoustic guitar - but he's still pretty darn good! As he looks and sounds about the same as he did 20 years ago, it's apparent that CP has been drinking from the fountain of youth. Despite the fact that some of his more intricate piano playing got lost somewhere in the sound system, KE sounded great! The best part, however, was the crowd's reaction to the music. Almost all of the 4,000 or so fans in attendance gave a standing ovation at the beginning and end of each piece. Interestingly, this is the first concert in some time where I've seen fans rush down to get near the stage. Pretty wild for a bunch of gray-haired accountants! I don't really tire of hearing them play their old standards. After all, it's not like I get to see them perform live more than once a year. I would not, however, be disappointed if they shelved Tarkus and Pictures in favor of KE9 (all three impressions). Even a stripped down version would be fun to hear. Short of that, I'd like to hear them play Jerusalem. I was interested in what CP had to say about their next studio release. It sounds like they are getting back to what they do best - longer pieces with a unifying concept. There's really nobody else creating music comparable to theirs ... as long as they keep playing ... I'll keep listening. Thanks, Dan ------------------------------ From: "John Lane" , on 11/4/97 10:32 PM: To: Subject: Tarkestra, Bolero First off, I want to thank you for ELP Digest. Now off to my questions. There is a sound byte on Keith Emerson's web page called "Tarkestra." Obviously it is taken from Tarkus and I was wondering if a larger work is available? The second question revolves around Bolero. I recorded an interview program back in the late 70's with ELP (it was played in conjuction with their concert in Austin in 1977 or 78). In that interview, they played Bolero with a Paris Orchestra. Do you or does anyone know if that will be made available? Thanks again for your work.... ------------------------------ From: odysseus2@juno.com, on 11/2/97 1:23 AM: To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: The Atlantic Years Hello... This is my first post to the ELP Digest. I have been an ELP listener (about 13 or 14 years). I've owned many ELP albums over the years. I currently have Works Live, the newest "Best of ELP", Works Vol. I, and Emerson, Lake and Powell. I just finally got to see them in concert this past September. Awesome! Anyway, I'll get to the point now. If anyone has a copy of the Atlantic Years that they would like to sell, I'd be interested in buying it. See, I have a little problem. Let me tell you the story... I have a couple of reels of old Detroit Red Wing films (Feb. 1957) that I purchased when the organization held an auction just prior to tearing down the Olympia. About four or five years ago, I decided to copy them to video tape since I don't always have access to a 16mm projector. What's this got to do with ELP, you may ask. Here's what: since the films were silent, I decided to throw some music on the tape. I chose "Fanfare for the Common Man", another ELP song, and "Dreamline" by Rush. Now, that "other ELP song" is where my little problem comes in. I recently pulled out that video tape to watch it. When I heard "that other ELP song", I immediately recalled it as being one of my favorites. Problem is, it was on the Atlantic Years, which I no longer own, and which is now out of print as I understand. I don't recall the name of the song, so I don't know which album it was originally on. So now that I've exposed myself as an ELP lightweight, I'll be on my way. Again, if anyone is interested in selling a copy of The Atlantic Years, please e-mail me. Thanks, and so long for now.... Matt C. ------------------------------ From: fsteama@dircon.co.uk (Mike Goode), on 11/1/97 1:05 AM: To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Giger Just a quickie as I've noticed that a lot of the emails are getting a bit bloated of late... I was in a local book store today, killing time, and my eye caught a Giger desk diary for 98. A recent posting mentioned that Giger was painting a cover for an upcoming ELP album so I thought it maybe would be worth a look. Well, no new album cover but even better, a selection of ELP covers that never made the light of day! Now I've seen some of the rejects for BSS in the past and initially thought that's what these were but the date of the paintings said they were from around 86... I don't recall anybody mentioning this before -- is there a story here? Especially interesting was a painting with the words 'ELP' and 'the environment' included as part of the design. Was Giger hinting at a never-to-be concept album about the environment or was he just dreaming like the rest of us? Actually, the painting, if not exactly crap was horrible. Not up to the standard of BSS. Some of the other ELP stuff was good tho' -- I especially liked the selection of paintings that showed a very graphic pair of Giger style lips. And I wouldn't be at all surprised if this was the new cover - what do you say boys? Mike. ------------------------------ From: Paolo Rigoli , on 10/27/97 5:41 PM: To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Subject: New ELP Singles Discography Book My friend Massimo asked me to post this message: "My book is finally ready (three years of work with a little help from my friends...). It includes a full singles discography of ELP (and related groups) and pictures of covers (literally hundreds!!). Ordering information: ELP & RELATED SINGLE DISCOGRAPHY IN BLACK AND WHITE VERSION: ITA LIRE: 35.000 UK POUND: 12,00 GERMAN DM: 35 USA and JAPAN: $18,00 JAPAN (Only USA $) The above price includes POSTAGE & PACKING PRINTED MATTER IN REGISTERED AIR MAIL PAYMENT: 1) w/ IMO (International Postal Money Order) in Italian Lire 2) w/ banknote (only UK pound, GERMANY Dm, USA $) in registered letter with extra paper ELP & RELATED SINGLE DISCOGRAPHY IN COLOUR VERSION ITA LIRE: 130.000 UK POUND: 42,00 GERMANY DM: 125 USA and JAPAN: $ 65,00 (Only USA $) The above price includes POSTAGE & PACKING PRINTED MATTER IN REGISTERED AIR MAIL PAYMENT: 1) w/ IMO (International Postal Money Order) in Italian Lire 2) w/ banknote (only UK pound, GERMANY Dm,USA $ ) in registered letter with extra paper My address is: Massimo Cavallucci Via M.Rapisardi 15 05100 Terni Italy Thank you very much for your attention. Best wishes, Massimo." ------------------------------ From: Paolo Rigoli , on 10/27/97 5:21 PM: To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Subject: KBFH and Isle of Wight CD's Uwe Hoepfner wrote: > I think that the first ten pieces are interesting, because they were > recorded at The Coliseum, Wheeling during the WORKS tour after they dropped > the orchestra. Comparing it with the WORKS LIVE CD it shows the changes > which were made with the arrangements of the pieces. Peter Gunn and > Tiger... didn't change that much, but the rest is really nice. The greatest > change were apparently made in the perfomance of the Piano Concerto Part 3, > which is now a piano solo. On the booklet this track No. 4 is called "Piano > Improvisation", i think this must be a mistake, its clearly the concerto > part three. In fact "In Concert/Works Live" is not taken entirely from the Montreal concert. Some of the tracks come from the Wheeling show. Exactly they are: Peter Gunn, Tiger in a spotlight, Watching Over You, Maple Leaf Rag, The Enemy God and Show Me the Way To Go Home. The "Piano Improvisation" on "KBFH" is a beautiful arrangement for piano and tuned percussion (played by Carl) of the First Movement of the Piano Concerto No.1. > The pieces 11 to 14 and the first track on the second CD are from the 1974 > Tulsa, Oklahoma perfomance and it sound nearly exactly the same as on the > "Welcome back ..." live triple CD. If you listen to "Lucky Man", you can > hear those "Woo, its crazy!" at the beginning as it is on the "Welcome > back.." CD. "Still.." sound different, but KE9 seems also to be on the > "Welcome back..." CD, but i'm not sure. >From Circus Raves August 1974: At the cavernous Anaheim Convention Center in southern California, late in February, the trio, their retinue of 40-odd roadies and techinicians, and a recording team from the famous Wally Heider Recording Studios in Los Angeles hooked up ELP's mammouth 36-ton quadrophonic P.A. system. But this time there was also a 24-track mobile recording unit and a 40-input console (....). "It was the finest recording experience I've ever had," declared Heider engineer, Peter Granet, Emerson, Lake and Palmer Live (on Manticore Records) may be the record of the year." (...) "We recorded the applause, too," declared Peter Granet, "and they did 'Pictures at an Exhibition' as an encore. We would have included it on the album too, but that would have made it a four record set, instead of just a three recor one." Wally Heider Studios, the following couple of days, was buzzing with excitement. "We all helped mix the tapes," recalled Granet. "At some times there were as many as eight hands on the board at once." (...) >From Beat Instrumental May 1974: Emerson, Lake and Palmer mixed their new live album at Air. Recorded at Anaheim Convention Centre in California, the music was originally used for a radio programme called King Biscuit Boy (!), which was broadcast coast to coast in the States. The resulting tapes sounded so good that E.L.P. have mixed them in quad for a May release to coincide with their British gigs. Responding to Stephan Watzinger John Arnold wrote: > Also, I'm not sure > ELP played for more than 55 minutes at the Isle of Wight. ELP played more than 75 minutes at the Isle of Wight. The set list was (times are approx.): The Barbarian (5 minutes), Take a Pebble (12 min.), Pictures at an Exhibition (35 min.), Rondo incl. America and Carl Palmer solo (20 min.), Nutrocker (5 min.). Evidently they didn't have access to the original master tapes. All the best, Paolo. ------------------------------ From: Erin Shamess , on 10/27/97 3:59 PM: To: Subject: Drum transcriptions Does anyone know where Icould get other elp drum transcriptions besides Applied Rhythms ? Thanks . Sincerely, John Shamess ------------------------------ From: elpnut@juno.com (John S Hawkes), on 10/26/97 4:38 PM: To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: ELP show; Auburn Hills, Michigan 9/18/97 Hi John... Great job with the Digest!!! I went to the ELP concert at the Palace of Auburn Hills on 9/18/97 and it was a night I'll never forget... Things didn't start off so well, however. The afternoon of the show, the local classic rock station announced that the first 20 people to show up at their booth after 5:00 would receive passes to a backstage pre-concert chat with the band! Unfortunately, I couldn't leave work in time to get there by 5:00. It was even more frustrating when at 5:30, the DJ said there were still passes available for the pre-concert chat. Alas, I still didn't get to the venue early enough. We had seats in the 10th row on the main floor, but the guy in my group who acquired the tickets was disappointed that we were on the far side of the main floor and not more in the middle as he had anticipated. Nonetheless, there was no problem seeing (or hearing) our heroes during the concert. The songlist pretty much followed what others have detailed in their reviews, except that "Hoedown" and" Tiger in a Spotlight" were flip-flopped. It was great to hear KE 9, pt. 2 in its entirety. Emerson and Palmer sounded great as always, but Greg's voice was noticeably hoarse and was mixed slightly lower as a result. The strains of a summer of touring were obviously showing on his voice. Keith had technical problems with the piano pedals during "Take A Pebble." Towards the end of the number, he was vehemently kicking the pedals trying to get them to function. They had to take a 3-4 minute break afterwards, during which Will Alexander came out and performed the necessary repairs, while Keith apologized to the audience for the delay. The problems continued during "Lucky Man" and for a minute, I thought Keith would be in trouble when the synth solo part at the end arrived, but he was able to deliver it, as usual, with much of the majesty and intensity of the original. I liked the backdrop with the infamous ELP logo shining on it throughout most of the performance. Sparse, but yet, tasteful. Songwise, my favorites were "Bitches Crystal," "Take A Pebble," "From the Beginning," and "Schizoid Man." The show ran the proverbial one hour and fifty-five minutes. Embarrasingly, the arena was only partially filled. Only about 4,000 in a 15,000 capacity venue. And I know a lot of the tickets were discounted and freebies. I don't know why the band wasn't booked into a smaller, local venue, because without new material there was no way they were going to fill the Palace. Obviously, the band will have to release a new album before touring the states again (here's hoping they deliver on the promise of that new LP!!!) as a headline act. I agree with Richard Eckman and a few of the other Digest readers who suggest that the band make some changes to the set list. I'd rather hear a complete "Pirates" than incomplete portions of "Tarkus" and "Pictures." Musically, I don't think "Rondo" and Keith's organ demolition are sonically appealing in today's musical world. I realize they are played mainly as an adrenaline-pumping, crowd-pleasing theatric. But simply hearing their wonderful, unique musical interaction on things like "Honky Tonk Train Blues," and "Take A Pebble," is a "rush" for me. Also, I would've like to have heard something from "Black Moon" and/or "In the Hot Seat." Afterall, it's the late 90's! Hopefully, the new album will be a progressive and adventurous one, yet accessible enough to garner radio airplay for, let's say, the Adult Alternative U.S. radio format. Anyway...back to the show. After the concert was over, I was fortunate enough to get a backstage pass, courtesy of a young lady who I did not know, but whomever you are... a million thank you's!!! I pleaded with her that I was a diehard ELP fan. Seeing my RaH T-Shirt and my ELP logo pin must have convinced her. She gave me her pass and I was able to get backstage and meet all three members!!! It was the second time I had the opportunity, but the first since Cleveland, 1977. Carl came in the room first. He chatted with us for a few minutes. I seemed to be the most knowledgeable person in the room about the band, and asked him about the new LP. I also got into a discussion with him as to whether he really did play on the Crazy World of Arthur Brown's "Fire." (He said three versions were made and he's not on the released one or in the accompanying video, but that he did get paid!!). Bruce Pilato also came in and I introduced myself to him saying that I had contributed to Greg's Home Page. He seemed to recognize my name and asked me how I liked the new ELP Web site. "It's great," I said. Next, Keith and Greg came in. Keith admired my logo pin and I simply mentioned that I had enjoyed his music over all of the years and wished him continued success. He seemed flattered. Then a guy in the group introduced himself to Keith as the keyboard player for the rock group, the Black Crows. He and Keith had a discussion for about 5 minutes or so. The Black Crow member had on a Works T-Shirt from the 1977 tour (yellow one with the BSS face on it!). Incidentally, has anyone else noticed that the tour logo on Keith's Home Page is the same as the logo used (briefly) on the '74 (I think) ELP tour??? Lastly, I shook Greg's hand and said hello. I noticed that his speaking voice was also hoarse. So meeting all three members of ELP was a thrill!!! I was only disappointed that I had not brought any mementos with me for autographs. Oh well, I still have my '77 tour book with their autographs!!! So it was truly a night to remember. Best wishes for 1998, and here's hoping the boys put out that new album and go out on tour again!!! John Hawkes Berkley, Michigan ------------------------------ From: Robert Dean , on 10/23/97 8:06 AM: To: John Subject: Digest 7.19: The Nice and Top Gear John, In answer to Chris Atton's question about The Nice and the one-time theme to to BBC Radio One's Top Gear programme: Yes, it was The Nice playing the Top Gear theme. I don't know what it was called, or even if it had a name, but it was about 2 minutes long and was played in full at the end of a Top Gear 10th anniversary programme back in the seventies. It *wasn't* included on The Nice's BBC tapes CD which came out not long ago and, as far as I know, it wasn't on any of their official album releases either (certainly none in the UK), nor did it appear on a B-side or any compilation album. Hope this helps. Rob. ------------------------------ From: Antonio Augusto Gorni , on 10/22/97 11:03 PM: To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Allegro Barbaro John: My permanent ELP Internet Search detected the following posting: -------------Begin Hit-Number: 4 Article-ID: 10_1997&3499674 Score: 78 Subject: Re: ELP Touch and Go ? From: Michael Julian Topper Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 03:44:37 -0700 Message-ID: <62i12l$j3s@uni.library.ucla.edu> Newsgroups: rec.music.progressive Peter Wilton wrote: >I read recently (to my surprise) that it was actually Palmer who >suggested using Allegro Barbaro, rather than Emerson. What?! That's not the way the other two remember it. The story *I* heard--and this was a recent interview for Guitar, I think--was that Emerson was playing Allegro Barbaro on the piano during one of their early rehearsals, Lake came in the room, recognized the piece, and suggested adding a fuzz-bass line to it. Emerson was interested and that's how the piece was originally developed. Maybe it was Palmer who suggested that Emerson play the Bartok piece at that rehearsal, but it wasn't mentioned in what I read. Michael --------------------------------End All the best, Antonio -- Antonio Augusto Gorni, Materials Engineer, M. Eng. COSIPA Steelworks | Industrial Engineering School (FEI) E-Mail: agorni@coastalway.com.br | computernick@geocities.com Fax: +55-13-362-3608 Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/5978 São Vicente SP Brazil The Weaver in the Web that He Made! (Emerson, Lake & Palmer: Tarkus) ------------------------------ From: "ken taylor" , on 10/22/97 6:47 PM: To: Subject: KE Performance Questions Answered Hi John & ELP friends, This is my first post...I read about the backlog of submissions to Digest and would like to offer to help. If readers have any questions regarding either the theory of, or performance aspects of Emo's playing, you may forward them to me. I'll be happy to answer all personally and could re-submit the most interesting ones (along with answers) to Digest, if that would make things easier for everyone at Digest. Keep up the good work...it's a pleasure to finally be "So far...yet so close!" Ken Taylor (Australia) [ Editor's Note: Ken also has a web site that's linked in the the ELP Web Ring. - John - ] ------------------------------ From: Jane Armstrong , on 10/22/97 5:42 PM: To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Cc: Richard Eckman Subject: ELP - Are they too old for this ? Hello John and fellow ELP fans It has been really great to read all the reviews and exciting meetings people have had with the band. It is the highlight of my month when I receive the ELP Digest and I get really excited when I see it in my mailbox (sad aren't I?!). In the ELP Digest No 19 Richard Eckman made the following comments: >is it really necessary to hear the same stuff trotted out >in pretty much the same way year after year. Do the fans really need >to see Keith wrestle the old Hammond? Does Carl have to do his patented >drum solo every time. Does the mix have to be so damn loud and muddy? (snip) >Given that a large proportion of the audience were in their 30s or >40s (or beyond), I just wonder if their is similar sentiment to mine >or if it is just a bunch of overgrown adolescents clamoring for some >organ wrestling and butt-rubbing with the ribbon controller. I can't >believe that I'm the only one who feels this way. >I'm not asking for an ELP "unplugged", but perhaps new arrangements, >more acoustic in part, and playing some of their material that they >haven't performed live in many years. How about it lads? I agree it would be great to hear more music from Trilogy, BSS and some of the other numbers they haven't played for a while, BUT over here in Europe we've not been as lucky as you have. Since 1974 we had a short tour in 1992 and then this year's tour of mainland Europe - but not the UK! :-(. I myself have only managed to see them four times in 25 years of being a fan. Many of the Eastern European towns and countries visited on this year's tour have never ever seen ELP before, and as it is probably not feasible to change the set list mid-tour just for the American audience. It gave us over here a chance to experience what you extremely lucky Americans have been seeing on and off since 1977. It was therefore fresh and new for the majority of fans. Don't forget too that it was also a tour to promote 'Return of the Manticore', so a certain amount of 'greatest hits' was to be expected. I must say however, that I agree entirely about the Hammond wrestling and butt-rubbing antics. I do find it a embarassingly pathetic to see men in their 50's acting like juveniles. I felt the same about the grafitti spraying bit at the RAH in 1992. Unfortunately they have made a name for doing such things, and a NEW audience expects it of them. They are not alone - Pete Townshend of the Who, for example, is still expected to do the scissor jumps and smash the amps, Roger Daltrey to swing the mike, and as for Mick Jagger and his strutting around !!! :-) I read recently that Jimi Hendrix was tiring of the guitar burning/ playing with his teeth stuff too, and wanted to stop before he died, but the audience wouldn't let him. He'd probably still feel obiged to do it today if things had been different ...... I do get the 'Impression' that next year we are in for a real treat, with a new concept album in the offing. I am sure that when we see them next the set list will be completely revamped, totally exciting and hopefully (if these e-mails have been taken on board), Hammond wrestling free! Jane Armstrong Bracknell, England ------------------------------ From: Nick Robinson , on 10/22/97 9:11 AM: To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Hammond sounds digest-mailer@reluctant.com sez >what, in detail, is he doing to make that >organ sound the way it does? All kinds of things! The classic "pitch bend" is made by switching the tone-wheel motor on & off whilst leaving the amp switched on. The "clangs" are caused by hitting the valves with a stick, the "crashes" by banging the reverb springs.... all the best, Nick Robinson email nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk homepage http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look! 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