ELP Digest Sunday, 12 November 2000 Volume 10 : Issue 5 The "You Know That I Always Will" Edition incororating the (belated) Greg Lake Birthday edition Today's Topics: 30% Off Emerson Lake and Palmer -- This Weekend Only! Greg Lake I Believe in Father Christmas Sunday Night Football on ESPN Three Fates Re: Toccata toccata Re: toccata Score for ELP's "Tocatta" RE: ELP Digest V10 #4 (toccata) ELP 'miniature' CD's Re: ELP Digest V10 #4 (Carpal Tunnel, etc.) Keith Emerson's "nerve problem" Aliens Of Extraordinary Ability ELP and DVD PICTURES DVD 1977 ELP '77 ELP Live 1986 the enemy god The Nice Banned? US flag burning.... BBC's "The Hammond - A Vital Organ?" ELP should be inducted into the Rock Hall Tarkus artwork question Lee Jackson calliope Influences ELP Influenced Band Re: The music itself Prelude ======= This digest was intended to go out on Greg Lake's birthday (Friday, November 10) but got delayed due to problems with my internet connectivity. Sorry about that. Happy (belated) birthday, Greg! This time, we note yet another release of a kind of ELP "greatest hits" (well, really, more like a compilation of shorter songs) that I didn't realize was out. And it seems to have a very low price. And, in keeping with the birthday theme, some questions about Greg's bass playing style and a search for sheet music to "I Believe in Father Christmas". Some updates on last time's discussion of carpal tunnel, Toccata, etc. ------------------------------------------------------------ [ Editor's Note: I got this from an ELP Digest reader. I'm not including it as an endorsement of any particular company. As always, shop carefully and wisely, regardless of whether you're shopping online, auction, or traditional retail. However, this includes news of another ELP compilation CD that I'd never heard of, so I'm including it with all of the commercial attributions. - John - ] From: "Artist_Outreach_" To: ELP Digest reader Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 11:03 AM Subject: 30% Off Emerson Lake and Palmer -- This Weekend Only! Saturday November 11, 2000 We're pleased to announce that Emerson, Lake and Palmer's new album "Extended Versions" is now available at CDNOW for only $4.88 -- you save 30%! Plus, from Friday, November 10, 2000 through Monday, November 13, 2000, save 30% on every domestic (U.S.) Emerson, Lake and Palmer title! Choose from "Then and Now" ($13.28), "Greatest Hits Live" ($16.08), "Trilogy" ($8.38), and more at great prices! To save 30% on Emerson, Lake and Palmer at CDNOW, go to: http://p04.com/t.d?WEWoi1De=/cdnow.com/elp/from=rex:x:cdn:1110emlpb Hurry -- CDNOW's Emerson, Lake and Palmer Sale ends Monday, November 13, 2000 at 11:59 p.m., EDT. Shop today and save! Enjoy! Mike Krupit President and Chief Executive Officer of CDNOW ------------------------------ From: EGBOSS@aol.com [mailto:EGBOSS@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 3:49 PM To: elp-digest-web@reluctant.com Subject: Greg Lake Is there anything available about Greg Lake's bass playing style? Do you know if there's any books with the bass lines in it? Thanks, Elaine [ Editor's Note: I know that Greg was featured on the cover of Guitar Player magazine back in the early-mid 70s. It wasn't an in-depth look at his playing style, though. "Just" an interview, look at his gear at the time, etc. Perhaps another Digest reader will know more. - John - ] ------------------------------ From: hughc@automotive.emap.co.uk [mailto:hughc@automotive.emap.co.uk] Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 1:02 PM To: elp-digest-web@reluctant.com Subject: I Believe in Father Christmas A very simple request really, but can anyone supply me with the basic chords to "I believe in Father Christmas" please ? I am aware that the middle section is Prokofiev but cannot work out (I am not very good you see !) what the chords are on my guitar. With kind regards Yours sincerely Hugh Cairns [ Editor's Note: Or, even better, perhaps, could anyone supply information about the availability of full sheet music for "I Believe in Father Christmas"? - John - ] ------------------------------ From: Gregory L. Green [mailto:greeng@a-znet.com] Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 9:16 PM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Sunday Night Football on ESPN Hi John, Glad to see that the music that is so near and dear to our hearts still appears occasionally on mainstream, primetime television as was the case on Sunday evening November 5th. ESPN used edited portions of KE9, 1st Impression as the lead-in feature for the game between the Carolina Panthers and the St. Louis Rams. In other news, I am eagerly awaiting the release of the George Forrester's ELP book later this month. At least all of us ELP fans will have something new to absorb from the often overlooked, greatest rock trio of all times. Keep up the good work at the digest and Happy Holidays. Gregory L. Green ------------------------------ From: Robert Liberman [mailto:rhliberman@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2000 12:20 PM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Three Fates I'm looking for any updated information on a transcription of The Three Fates. There is some information on a old web page listing Brent Wood as the author of a transcription (http://www.brain-salad.com/SheetMusic/sheet-music.txt), but all attempts at contacting Mr. Wood have been unsuccessful. I'd REALLY appreciate any information on such a transcription. I possess all three ELP songbooks and would be glad to photocopy what I have in exchange for the transcription. Thanks ------------------------------ From: René Laursen [mailto:r.laursen@get2net.dk] Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 1:26 PM To: Kristian.Lyngver@c2i.net Cc: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Re: Toccata From the last digest: >>> From: Kristian Lyngver [mailto:Kristian.Lyngver@c2i.net] >>> Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 9:52 AM >>> To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com >>> Subject: toccata >>> >>> Hello >>> >>> Do you know where I can get the original-music that E.L.P.based >>> "Toccata" on? >>> >>> Best regards >>> >>> Kristian Lyngvar >>> Norway >>> >>> [ Editor's Note: I'd check with a classical music-oriented store that >>> caters to the orchestral community and have them look >>> up Ginastera. I think it may be available from Boosey >>> & Hawkes. Any readers know the exact details? - John - ] I have got a CD containing Ginastera's Harp Concerto, Estancia (Ballet Suite) and Piano concerto No 1. The Record label is "Acedemy Sound and Vison Ltd." (ASV), record number CD DCA 654. Distributed by Pinnacle Records. I bought this through Scandinavian Music Club, but they don't have it anymore! Best wishes Rene Laursen Denmark ------------------------------ From: Scott Juskiw [mailto:scott@tellun.com] Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 7:27 PM To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Re: toccata I have a recording of Piano Concerto No. 1. Op. 28 by Alberto Ginastera. Toccata is the fourth movement, it is track 11 on the CD: ASV Digital (Academy Sound and Vision Ltd.) CD DCA 654 1989 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Scott Juskiw scott@tellun.com ------------------------------ From: Terry Carroll [mailto:carroll@tjc.com] Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 8:59 PM To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Cc: Kristian.Lyngver@c2i.net Subject: Score for ELP's "Tocatta" On Thursday, August 17, 2000, Kristian Lyngver wrote: > Do you know where I can get the original-music that E.L.P.based > "Toccata" on? > [ Editor's Note: I'd check with a classical music-oriented store that > caters to the orchestral community and have them look > up Ginastera. I think it may be available from Boosey > & Hawkes. Any readers know the exact details? - John -] A search for Ginastera on www.boosey.com turns up two versions of Ginastera's Piano Concerto #1. One is an arrangement for two pianos, four hands (Reference #M 051 27148 1), and one is a "study score" (Reference #M 051 21068 8). Drilling down further, the 2P4H version is UK#23.75 (US$33.44) and the study score is UK#11.50 ($16.19). -- Terry Carroll | "PRINTED ON RECYCLED PAPER" Santa Clara, CA | - Legend on PDF version of carroll@tjc.com | U.S. Copyright Office Form VA, at Modell delendus est | http://www.loc.gov/copyright/forms/formva.pdf ------------------------------ From: David S. Presley [mailto:david_s_presley@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 8:05 PM To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Subject: RE: ELP Digest V10 #4 (toccata) Hi John - I have the music... but the printing on the cover is in Spanish (which I don't speak or read). So I'll type it exactly as it appears: CONCIERTO para Piano y Orquesta, Alberto Ginastera, Reduccion para dos pianos, I. Cadenza e varianti, II. Scherzo allucinante, III. Adagissimo, IV. Toccata concertata. Editores exclusivos barry, Editorial, Comercial, Industrial, S.R.I., Buenos Aries, Talcahuano 860. Impreso En La Rep. Argentina Tall. Graf. Miguel A. Bermejo 11 de setiembre 539 - Haedo 7/9/78. B&C 10024, 6 edicion. It is in a white covered book form consisting of 67 pages. BTW, inside the cover is a brief analysis which includes the following (in English!): Alberto Ginastera's Piano Concerto was written during the first months of 1961 under a commission of the Koussevitzky Foundation in the library of Congress and dedicated to the memory of Serge and natalie Koussevitsky. it received its world premiere during the Second Interamerican Festival held in Washington on April 22nd, 1961, with the National Symphony Orchestra conducted by Howard Mitchell and the pianist Joao Carlos Martins playing the soloist part. Although the Concerto is divided into the four traditional movements the composer has renewed the structure of each movement. The first one, "Cadenza e varianti" begins with the exposure of the main row presented in the form of a rotating polychrome chord; afterwards the piano develops the melodic transposition of the same row. On these basic elements is built the whole movement, in which piano and orchestra alternate with violent contrasts. The "varianti" are ten micro-structures in different moods, they are a sort of variations of the original elements. The second movement, "Scherzo allucinante" is very fast and it is played throughout with the dynamics "pianissimo". The composer uses a pointillist instrumentation and the arch form in five sections: three central symmetrical sections framed by an introduction and a coda. The third movement, "Adagissimo", is an intense lyrical interlude formed by three sections which resemble the ternary form, reaching in the middle part a climax of passionate character. This movement ends in a dodecaphonic chord played by the whole string section, until it vanishes. Some solo notes in the piano emphasize the sensation of distance. The fourth and last movement, "Toccata concertata" with strong and vigorous rhythms, is a real piece of "bravura" in which there is a constant dialogue between piano and orchestra. The form recalls the seven section rondo form, preceeded by a short introduction and followed by a coda. Obviously, the 4th movement is what was adapted by Emo. The written part begins right after the drum intro with: Bflat, E, Eflat, A, B, F, E, Bflat (sure is hard to type musical notes!). HTH Kristian! Regards, DavidP aka "Tarkus" ------------------------------ From: Paul Chandler [mailto:earthworks@cwcom.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 11:11 AM To: elp-digest-web@reluctant.com Subject: ELP 'miniature' CD's I have collected the full set of Genesis 'miniatures' and have 3 out of 5 of the set of Yes CD's in cardboard sleeves. When I learned about the ELP titles from Japan on Victor # VICP 60633 through VICP 60646 I decided that these would also make a nice addition to my collection. However, my supplier in Japan has lost 'Brain Salad Surgery' on VICP - 60637. I am desperate for this one. Also, looking for 'Black Moon' on VICP - 60645 and 'In the Hot Seat' on VICP - 60646 While we are on the subject, I am still looking for 'Fragile' on AMCY 2731 and 'Close to the Edge' on AMCY 2732. If anyone can help, please contact me on < earthworks@cwcom.net > will pay good money. Paul Chandler ------------------------------ From: Dan Austen Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 6:03 AM To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Re: ELP Digest V10 #4 (Carpal Tunnel, etc.) I have spoken to Carl Palmer (he lives nearby part of the year) and he told me he had carpal tunnel from hitting a hard wooden board with karate punches. He told me he can only practice for around 2 hours a day. What a shame for the best drummer I've ever seen, and I seen a few. He told me Keith Emerson had the ulner nerve problems and surgery. In 1981 I met Keith Emerson several times. He told me he really didn't like touring, but loved playing. I think the road must be gruelling. I saw ELP in St Pete Florida (where I grew up) 1978, Greg Lake 1981 London, ASIA 1982 London and ELP 1992 London, all great shows. Dates approx. Dan Austen ------------------------------ From: ORTHODOCT [mailto:ORTHODOCT@email.msn.com] Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 5:22 PM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Keith Emerson's "nerve problem" Dear john: Enjoy the digest; keep up the good work. Keith, to the best of my knowledge, never had carpal tunnel. He developed cubital tunnel syndrome (ulnar nerve entrapment at the elbow) and radial tunnel syndrome (radial nerve entrapment at the elbow) for which he underwent decompression in the Black Moon era. Carl Palmer has undergone bilateral carpal tunnel decompression in the past. I am an orthopaedic surgeon and corresponded with Keith Emerson during his perioperative period. I also had the opportunity to chat with Keith and Carl backstage after the Black Moon concert in Jones beach, NY. Very personable and talented individuals. Best hopes for a reunion. Thanks again for all of your diligent work. ORTHODOCT@msn.com ------------------------------ From: TMJR1@aol.com [mailto:TMJR1@aol.com] Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 8:15 PM To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Aliens Of Extraordinary Ability John, Been reading the Digest for a little over a year now. I look forward to every issue. Been a fan of ELP for over 20 years (since the first time I heard them). Since that time I've said that ELP is the best band that ever was - and I'll go to my grave saying that. Keith is the Mozart of our times. I finally got to see ELP in 98 but unfortunately they broke up again. I can't tell you how happy I was to read in the latest Digest that Keith is still playing in the Santa Monica area. Is there a list of scheduled dates where A.O.E.A. or Keith can be seen? I'd gladly fly from Ohio to see him play. Please keep the fans updated. I'm sure I'm not the only one who would travel great distances to see Keith. Thanks Tim Ryan Akron, OH [ Editor's Note: I'm sure there are many of us who are interested in any performances by Keith (or Greg or Carl, for that matter). If anyone out in the California area ever gets news of a KE performance ahead of time, please let me know and I'll send out an ELP Digest as soon as possible in case there are others (from near or far) who would like to attend. - John - ] ------------------------------ From: Barry [mailto:barryt@ic24.net] Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 3:36 PM To: Elp Digest Subject: ELP and DVD John I read with interest about the forthcoming ELP DVD's, can't wait to hear them. Just thought I'd let you know that at the end of September I bought a Collectors Edition Flip Disc CD.DVD of the original Pictures at an Exhibition video from Virgin here in London. It's published by D2 vision Ltd / Favorite TV inc issue #DVDP001. The DVD is the same as the video (including the crap graphics) with remastering for Dolby surround and the label says multi-region but is also PAL only, so may not be viewable in the USA. It has the original film soundtrack on the CD side as well (in stereo). ------------------------------ From: [mailto:blackmoon92@wednesdaypressltd.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 12:11 PM To: elp-digest-web@reluctant.com Subject: PICTURES DVD Can anyone help? I've just picked up the latest ``Pictures'' dvd featuring the original 1970 recording on one side and the live performance on reverse. I've attemped to play on my P.C. with Dell dvd decoding software and while the sound is great, nothing happens on the reverse. 1) Is the C.D. only compatible with specific DVD systems or 2) Has anyone else experienced similar problems. The inlay mentions 3 dvd technogies and having enquired with Dell, they say it should work. kind regards Steve [ Editor's Note: See the previous message in this Digest. If this is the same disc, could it be related to a PAL/NTSC problem? Sounds suspicious to me. - John - ] ------------------------------ From: Glenn F Leonard [mailto:gleonard9@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 11:19 PM To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Subject: 1977 In response to a couple posts, I saw ELP in Philly sans orch in 6/77. They opened with 1st Imp Pt 2 into Hoedown . Peter Gunn was not used 'til the early '78 tour where I saw them do it in Philly 2/5/78. Yes, you can hear the very beginning of Hoedown at the end on In Concert. It's not Nahville or Memphis (?) '77 but other trax may be. Btw, I've heard 2 shows from CA in 8/77 with the same openers as the Philly 6/77 shows. Also, have a bdcst of LI 2/78 where they do the PG / Hoedown thing. And lastly, when Tarkus was performed in '77 even when the orch was present they were not utilised. How disappointing. When I first heard they were touring w/orch ny first thought was to finally hear an orchestrated Tarkus. _Still_ hasn't happened. Hm! Hope this sheds light. Glenn ------------------------------ From: Rob Lindblad [mailto:roblindblad@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 12:36 AM To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Subject: ELP '77 Actualy when i saw ELP on August 26th 1977, orchestra included, they did not open with Peter Gunn it was Abandons Bolero. In January '98 they came back to Montreal for the "Encore Tour", without the orchestra, I could see the reel to reel turning when they opened with Peter Gunn. ------------------------------ From: ENDRE PADY [mailto:epady@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 11:31 PM To: elp-digest-web@reluctant.com Subject: ELP Live 1986 Hi. Your website has some great info! I was able to confirm several of the tour dates and setlists I had seen in the past. I was wondering if it was possible to obtain a setlist for the 9/7/86 show at Madison Square Garden in NYC. If not, is the standard songlist for the 1986 tour available? Thanks for your time and assistance. Look forward to hearing from you. Best, Endre ------------------------------ From: Rocco De Biasi [mailto:logoman@tiscalinet.it] Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 9:45 AM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: the enemy god Dear friends, I drunk a toast too in honour of Keith’s birthday on Thursday. I have a question (may be you can help me): the version of "The Enemy God" contained in "In Concert" is without orchestra (at the concert of Montreal was played with orchestra!). Was the track remixed? It seems to me the same performance I have found in the "Classic Live on KBFH", which was recorded later, in the same tour, when the orchestra left the band alone. Did ELP take the version of "Enemy God" contained in "In Concert" from another date of the tour? Rocco, Milan (Italy) ------------------------------ From: carlos_lopez_1@ucab.edu.ve [mailto:carlos_lopez_1@ucab.edu.ve] Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 10:31 AM To: elp-digest-request@reluctant.com Subject: The Nice Banned? Uh, maybe I´m the only one who doesn´t knows it, but I read in the last Digest that The Nice were banned after Keith set an U.S. flag on fire. Did he told someone why he did that, especialy after playing "America"? ---------------------------------------- Carlos Alexander López Salgado Email: carlos_lopez_1@ucab.edu.ve Universidad Catolica Andres Bello [ Editor's Note: Read on to the next message. It gives a little more detail. - John - ] ------------------------------ From: Nick Robinson [mailto:nick@12testing.net] Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 8:48 AM To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Subject: US flag burning.... > how he set light to the US flag at the Albert Hall. Interesting that even Keith now seems to believe it was a real flag - I've got a photo of the incident & it was a sheet of white paper with a few stars & stripes crudely aerosoled(?) onto it. The thought was there though ;) I must confess to somewhat heretical beliefs myself - I don't think ELP ever bettered the 1st album & I also think the Nice were a better band, warts & all.... All the best, Nick Robinson ------------------------------ From: Phil Blakeney [mailto:phil.blakeney@cwcom.net] Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 3:09 AM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: BBC's "The Hammond - A Vital Organ?" I also heard John Walters' programme on 7 October 2000 on BBC Radio 2; I also was sad that said Walters didn't mention ELP when linking to interview snatches with Keith. It was amusing to hear Keith describe his meeting with KE's respected influence, Jimmy Smith, at the Catalina Bar & Grill, when the rather grumpy Smith, after playing a set, apparently grabbed Emerson's "undercarriage" ("...some sort of keyboard players' masonic handshake...") instead of the more conventional mode of greeting. Point of fact - Keith's home town Todmorden is most definitely in the "West Riding" of my own home county of YORKSHIRE, and not in Lancashire, as mentioned by JW. Phil PS saw ELP in 1992 at both the RAH and the Manchester Apollo ... fantastic, although sadly, I was too young to catch them live when they toured in the early seventies. ------------------------------ From: Jason Sobol [mailto:musicman@en.com] Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 12:35 AM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: ELP should be inducted into the Rock Hall Hi, congrats on the 9th Aniversary of the Digest, John. There is something that is really bothering me....a) the way musicians get inducted into the Rock Hall and b) the fact that bands like ELP, Yes, and Crazy World of Arthur Brown should have already been inducted. The inductions are made by an elite few, not the rock and roll public, like us....if it was, ELP would already be in the Rock Hall...anyone else have any comments? Jason Sobol 40 miles east of the Rock Hall in rural Northeastern Ohio ------------------------------ From: Tim Pollard [mailto:tim@timpollard.com] Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 10:30 AM To: elp-digest-web@reluctant.com Subject: Tarkus artwork question Hi John I was wondering if you or any of your readers had any information on the Tarkus artwork, and the 'story' of the track(s). I've not had much success searching the web aside from finding some quotes from the band about the futility of war and revolution, but (given that it's probably open to a lot of personal interpretation), is there an 'official line' on it? Thanks! Thanks also for all the excellent work you do on the Digest! Regards Tim Pollard www.timpollard.com [ Editor's Note: I know there was some discussion and interpretation about this that was done by other ELP Digest readers a few years back. Any brave reader want to dredge the archives and try to provide a summary. I know there's no "official" interpretation and I'm pretty certain that the album was finished well before the album art. So, I think it's safe to say that the album art is just that one artist's interpretation of the various Tarkus "components". - John - ] ------------------------------ From: Charles G. Jarrells [mailto:cgjarre@iopener.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 4:51 PM To: elp-digest-web@reluctant.com Subject: Lee Jackson Can anyone tell me what former Nice vocalist/bassist Lee Jackson is up to these days? I corresponded with Lee in the late 70s as he was attempting to put together a band called "StripJack." I lost touch with him soon afterwards, and was subsequently told Lee had left the music business and moved to the US. Any updates on him would be appreciated. Greg Jarrells cgjarr@iopener.net ------------------------------ From: Crocodilesplace@aol.com [mailto:Crocodilesplace@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 3:12 PM To: elp-digest-web@reluctant.com Subject: calliope can you please tell me something about the rockymount calliope? i've been told that keith was pictured on the front of keyboard magazine, june 1992. thanks janie hoag ------------------------------ From: ERIC FISCHBEIN [mailto:ERICF3@prodigy.net] Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 9:07 PM To: elp-digest-web@reluctant.com Cc: ericf3@prodigy.net Subject: Influences I am interested in finding out about other artists that either influenced Keith's composition or simply compose in a similar style. I would like to find more pieces similar to Emerson's Piano Concerto, 'The Three Fates' or 'KarnEvil9 2nd Impression'. I've looked at some of the classical composers that Keith 'covered' (Copeland, Bartok) but Ihave not found much there that appeal's to me. I'm not so much interested in finding 'rock versions of Sibelius'. I'm looking instead for classical and jazz (piano) composers who compose in a style that appeals to fans of ELP. I enjoy for example the piano music of Debussey and Faure. Also some of Alexander Scriabin. (Piano Concerto 1, and 5) In jazz I'm looking for something like T. Lavitz's playing on The Dregs tune 'Bloodsucking Leeches'. (That's a bit obscure, but worth checking out if you don't know it!) I also hear what I'm looking for in Gershwin. There must be more people who compose like this, but they seem to be more obscure. It's also difficult to walk into a record store and say, "Who do you have who's big on 4th's 5th's and major 7th's, no so much on the major 3rd's and 6th's?" Also if you know of somewhere I can get a hold of the movie soundtrack that Keith recorded, oh 15 years ago, that's be great to. Thanks, Eric Fischbein ericf3@prodigy.net ------------------------------ From: Steve Flynn [mailto:sflynn@dingoblue.net.au] Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2000 4:21 AM To: arnold@reluctant.com Subject: ELP Influenced Band Hi, Just got a copy of the self titled debut album "Under The Sun" (Magna Carta). Take a listen if you get the chance. Could be another group to add to your ELP influenced bands. Their web site is www.underthesun-uts.com Cheers, Steve Flynn sflynn@dingoblue.net.au ------------------------------ From: Mike Florio [mailto:mflorio@bestweb.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 12:08 PM To: ur-12@webtv.net Cc: elp-digest-web@reluctant.com Subject: Re: The music itself Hi, Regarding your questions on Hoedown, KE9 and Tarkus from the 'Welcome Back...' album: Every recording I've heard from ELP during that period (including bootlegs taken straight from the audience) essentially takes Hoedown at the same blazing tempo. I believe that the Manticore documentary video also shows a clip of them playing the tune at the same speed. Regarding KE9 and Tarkus, I'm not sure what sections you are specifically referring to with 'a whole lot of music being played'. Keep in mind that Lake played guitar in some spots while Emerson covered the bass lines on synthesizer. Also, Emerson occasionally employed the 'sample-and-hold' feature on his modular synth, that would effectively play a repeating pattern on it's own (KE9 First Impression part 2 and the solo in 'Aquatarkus' come to mind - live and studio versions). Also, overdubbing on live recordings does not seem consistent with ELP's approach to making music. They always prided themselves on playing all the material onstage themselves without any backstage help. Why would they then add parts later ? I think part of the confusion may be that the sound quality is not too good on that album, especially with the bass. You really can't hear the definition of the instrument too well on KE9 (and it's an amazing bass part, too). Also, KE9 was transposed into a lower key live to make it easier to sing. The studio version was acually speeded up (a common studio technique called vari-speeding where the tape is run a bit slow during recording, then played back at normal speed/pitch. This has the effect of adding a nice top-end gloss and definition to the vocal, which is why Lake sounds a bit out of character on the BSS version. I think they may have slowed the tape down a bit too much, because when it was brought back up to normal speed, the character of the vocal changed very noticably). Mike ------------------------------ Digest subscription, mailing address, and administrative stuff to: elp-digest-request@reluctant.com ELP-related info that you want to put in the digest to: elp-digest@reluctant.com Back issues are available from the ELP Digest web site: URL: http://www.brain-salad.com/ Note: The opinions, information, etc. contained in this digest are those of the original message sender listed in each message. They are not necessarily those of the mailing list/digest administrator or those of any institution through whose computers/networks this mail flows. 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