ELP Digest 03 March 2001 Volume 11 : Issue 2 The "It Comes On Unrelentless" Edition Today's Topics: Breaking News, Rumors, Etc. - New ELP DVD (January 7, 2001) - ELP Welcome Back DVD (January 18, 2001) - two bits of info for digest (February 19, 2001) - ELP in Mojo (February 25, 2001) - Top Ten UK TV Channel 4 Saturday 10 pm (March 1, 2001) Reader Commentary - New Book (December 1, 2000) - Carl Palmer (December 4, 2000) - SOME NEWS FROM ITALY (Carl Palmer Drum Clinics) (February 15, 2001) - Emerson-Mozart (December 27, 2000) - Big Momma & ELP (January 1, 2001) - Submission for Digest (February 17, 2001) - BSS DVD audio (February 22, 2001) - Greg = Greg (February 22, 2001) - Fanfare For The Common Man 2 CD set (February 22, 2001) Questions (and Answers!) - Greg Lake's Bass Style (November 13, 2000) - The wars of the roses (November 13, 2000) - Re: ELP Digest Vol. 10 #5 (November 13, 2000) - I Believe in Father Christmas (November 13, 2000) - I Believe in Father Christmas sheet music (November 13, 2000) - Keith, Nice, and American Flag (November 14, 2000) - ELP live recordings too fast/ too slow? (November 16, 2000) - I Believe In Father Christmas Guitar Sheet (November 17, 2000) - In response to Eric Fischbein (November 27, 2000) - Lee & 4ths & 5ths (November 30, 2000) - Looking 4 video (December 4, 2000) - I Believe in Father Christmas sheet music (December 8, 2000) - Piano sheet music (December 11, 2000) - Asia - "Days Like These" (December 20, 2000) - Orchestral and/or Symphonic ELP CDs (January 16, 2001) - Father Christmas Guitar part (January 18, 2001) - Re: trivia question about Keith Emerson (February 16, 2001) - K. Emerson’s Autobiography (February 16, 2001) - Re: BSS DVD-A (February 17, 2001) - Carl Palmer’s Snare Drum On Brain Salad Surgery (February 18, 2001) - ELP Gold Records (February 28, 2001) New ELP Releases/Products (The ELP Digest does not endorse, etc.) - ELP Influences (November 13, 2000) - e-Prog - Home of Keyboard-Based Progressive Rock (February 21, 2001) =========================== Prelude =========================== Hi. I'll make this quick since I'm trying to get back in the swing of regular publication and not wear out my welcome. There's a lot of interesting stuff this time including (for those of you in the UK who read this in time) a last-minute notice about a TV show TONIGHT: "... prog rock 1 hour 30 minute "top ten progressive rock bands" show on in UK on Saturday 3 March at 10 pm until 11.30 pm. Hosted by UK progressive fan Bill Bailey. Apparently the show will be featuring ELP." Thanks for Ian for passing along the info. We'll all be interested to hear more details if anyone sees the show. Also, news of the ELP "Welcome Back" video being released on DVD, more Carl Palmer drum clinics, etc. Till next time, John ------------------------------ Latest News from the Official ELP sites ... Nothing new on Keith's page this week, but a reader noticed CD Now now offers downloads of a long list of his solo "singles." They include The Dreamer, Prelude to Candice, Inferno, Hello Sailor, Yancey Special, The Montagues And Capulets (Romeo and Juliet), The Church, The Band Keeps Playing (Aftershock Mix), The Band Keeps Playing, Summertime, Shelter From The Rain, Salt Cay, Rum-A-Ting, Jesus, He Loves Me, Interlude, Hello Sailor/Bach Before The Mast/Sailor's Hornpipe, Green Ice, For Kevin (Live), Close To Home, Chickcharnie, Big Horn Breakdown, Another Frontier, and Abaddon's Bolero. The links are http://www.cdnow.com/cgi- bin/mserver/SID=19144982/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/discography.html/ArtistID=EMERSON and http://www.cdnow.com/cgi- bin/mserver/SID=19144982/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/discography.html/ArtistID=EMERSON*KEITH [ You may have to paste that into a single line in your browser. ] New additions to Greg's site this week are a new Spanish translation to the Intro page ... and new items under the "Desert Island Discs," "You Were There" and "Ask Greg Lake" sections. The latter includes a letter with comments on the Napster debate ... and also a very long reply to a question about the December 1998 break-up -- extremely candid. Here's the link: http://www.greglake.com/askgreg3.html ... also, I missed an item from Feb. 9, when they announced that the new GL Website has won the 4.0 rated "Eagle One" award from Winbec Innovative Web Designs ... and extended "thanks to whomever submitted us for this honor." I tried to check out Winbec.com but it was extremely slow-loading and I finally gave up -- maybe I'll have more luck later in the week. Exciting news on Carl’s site: new drum clinic dates. According to the site, "for the first time in 10 years Carl Palmer will be conducting drum clinics in the U.K. There are details yet to be worked out but we are happy to annouce that we already have 5 confirmed dates. At some of the dates, Carl will also be holding a Master Class prior to the doors opening. This is a rare opportunity to study in close quarters with a true drumming legend." Locations include Poole, Cardiff, Reading, Bradford and Manchester. For details, click on http://www.carlpalmer.com/clinicUK.html =========================== Breaking News,Rumors,Etc. =========================== From: Ari Kahan [akahan@mindspring.com] Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 6:31 PM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: New ELP DVD Do I get the honor of being the first to report this?: New ELP DVD to be released 3/27/2001: Emerson, Lake And Palmer: Welcome Back 1992 · 79 min. · FS · E - DD 5.1 / E - DD 2.0 · Not rated Concert/Pop/Rock · Release Date: 3/27/2001 · SRP: 24.99 · UPC #0-14381-9700-29 "Welcome Back" is a musical biography outlining the birth and rebirth of a supergroup. In the first ten years of their existence, Keith Emerson, Greg Lake, and Carl Palmer produced 6 Platinum and 5 Gold albums. In 1991, the three musicians came together to work on a new album and this video follows the creative and sometimes difficult reunion of one of rock's foremost progressive bands. "Welcome Back" features live performances from their sellout 1992/93 Black Moon Tour, proving that after a ten year break, none of the magic has been lost. Including vintage footage, interviews with the band and over 70 minutes of classic ELP, this is a collector's piece for all true fans. Songs: Romeo and Juliet, Karn Evil 9, Pictures at an Exhibition, Paper Blood, Honky Tonk Train Blues, Creole Dance, Tarkus, Closer to Home, Pirates, C'est La Vie, Tiger in the Spotlight, Watching Over You, Lucky Man, Changing States/ Hoedown, Black Moon, Drum Solo, Joplin Rag, Fanfare For the Common Man, Improvisation. --------------------------------------------- From: DOUG.OTTE@carefirst.com Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 11:58 AM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: ELP Welcome Back DVD I've seen the following release listed on some of the DVD sites: Emerson, Lake And Palmer: Welcome Back (1992) Image Entertainment "Welcome Back" is a musical biography outlining the birth and rebirth of a supergroup. In the first ten years of their existence, Keith Emerson, Greg Lake, and Carl Palmer produced 6 Platinum and 5 Gold albums. In 1991, the three musicians came together to work on a new album and this video follows the creative and sometimes difficult reunion of one of rock's foremost progressive bands. "Welcome Back" features live performances from their sellout 1992/93 Black Moon Tour, proving that after a ten year break, none of the magic has been lost. Including vintage footage, interviews with the band and over 70 minutes of classic ELP, this is a collector's piece for all true fans. Songs: Romeo and Juliet, Karn Evil 9, Pictures at an Exhibition, Paper Blood, Honky Tonk Train Blues, Creole Dance, Tarkus, Closer to Home, Pirates, C'est La Vie, Tiger in the Spotlight, Watching Over You, Lucky Man, Changing States/ Hoedown, Black Moon, Drum Solo, Joplin Rag, Fanfare For the Common Man, Improvisation. The release date is 3/27/01 & the price is $24.95. However, none of the online retailers list it yet. Has anyone seen this one yet? Are the music tracks chopped up, or do we get to see/hear complete pieces? [ Editor's Note: It appears that you can advance order this from many of the major CD/DVD sites. - John - ] --------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Absher [jeffab@jeffab.com] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 12:31 AM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: two bits of info for digest 1 if you haven't found it already please note that the DVD of the Pictures concert (with quite a bit of excess Comicbook stuff) is available at amazon.co.uk I ordered it and had no problems THEY(amazon) list it as Region 2 encoding and PAL. The cover lists it as Regionless and PAL. It plays fine on my APEX (regionless PAL/NTSC) Player. 2 I suggest checking out the guitarist Buckethead. He has a strong ELP influence. In fact he "almost" quotes Pictures on the Giant Robot album. (don't know if this is new info or not) [ Editor's Note: An intrepid reader notes that this may only appear on the UK site of Amazon.com. At last check it wasn't on the US amazon.com site. - John - ] --------------------------------------------- From: Joe Paslawski [74552.3551@compuserve.com] Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 5:27 PM To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Subject: ELP in Mojo Mojo Magazine, a truly fine music magazine from England, features Prog Rock in their March 2001 issue. ELP gets a four page article, with pictures and quotes I've not seen before. This is truly amazing considering that Mojo has traditionally hated the prog movement and ELP especially. Joe [ Editor's Note: Mojo’s Website says the March issue includes "PROG BONANZA! The story of ELP on the road; eight prog records you really should own, from Family’s Music In A Doll’s House to King Crimson’s Larks’ Tongues In Aspic. Plus: today’s new brigade of prog-rock apologists come clean." Go to http://www.mojo4music.com/aboutus/displayissue.cfm for more info. - John - ] --------------------------------------------- From: Ian McIlroy [mcilroy@logos.cy.net] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 9:32 AM To: elp-digest-web@reluctant.com Subject: Top Ten UK TV Channel 4 Saturday 10 pm Hi John Just a quick one - prog rock 1 hour 30 minute "top ten progressive rock bands" show on in UK on Saturday 3 March at 10 pm until 11.30 pm. Hosted by UK progressive fan Bill Bailey. Apparently the show will be featuring ELP. I'm in Cyprus, and have only just heard about it, but my wife's mum is recording it on video for me.... Hoping this finds you well; best wishes Ian McIlroy =========================== Reader Commentary =========================== From: DUMMER1997@aol.com Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 6:23 PM To: elp-digest-web@reluctant.com Subject: new book Definitely a success. Without going into too detail the authors show enough knowledge to gain credibility and yet keep the reader fully interested. In fact as so much of the early part of their career was already documented, i personally found the happenings of the 96 to date period fascinating as probably like so many fans, I didn't know what was going on! This really sums up the situation for ELP in the new millennium. PR in the music biz. now has never been so important. The lack of communication between band and fan base has been very poor since 'in the hot seat." You get the feeling that either A) they cant be bothered or B)Gregs stance on production has made it impossible to reform. Whatever they are one single, soundtrack or advert away from reclaiming their former glory. If only they had the collective confidence to realise that. Lads, its the year 2001.Get real !! You cant go on blaming Punk or the Bee Gees for your downfall. The fact, as was so brilliantly stated in the book, that Punk blew everyone away even itself ! and the likes of Yes,Floyd,Mac,Zep all returned to better days. Where were ELP? Countlessly missing the opportunities to bounce back. My previous idea of a PC/Playstation game based on Tarkus was scorned yet something like this would kick-start the bands career. I have to ask are we really 'unwelcome to a show that has finally ended" ??? --------------------------------------------- From: A.C. Livingstone [aclivingstone@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 5:58 AM To: elp-digest-web@reluctant.com Subject: Carl Palmer Friday 1st of December Carl Palmer hold in Bologna (Italy) the last one of a three day clinic tour in Italy. The man introduced himself playing a "snare drum history", showing a lot of techniques of playing the snare drum he said are going lost. His solo was actually enjoing and Carl demonstrated the audience to be in top form, from this point of view. The clinic went on with Carl "renewing" other tradictional ways of playing hi hat and brush solos. Carl seemed happy and his humor reflected in the audience attitude. Then Carl played some rhythms, spoke with the audience and answered some questions and he did find the time to "play" with the audience asking to recognise his ELP drum part. At the end of the clinic Carl played some ELP classics with the help of very gifted Italian musicians (especially the keyboard player) and signed tons of autographs. As a matter of fact, Carl demonstrated to own a considerable amount of stick and foot technique, but I think it has to be said that his style and his way of playing is too linked with his "gold age". Carl seemed to ignore the development of modern drumming. His solo rhythms seemed a collection of exercises linked together without any kind of musicality, great technically speaking, but very weak from a musical point of view. His performance on ELP classics were still interesting and breathtaking, but he seemed to play in a very nervous way, the rhythm didn't flow easily and his fills were very often out of time. I would like to specify that I love ELP music, I love Carl's playing, I firmly believe that the drumming community must be grateful to Carl for his way to think drums, but first I must be honest with myself. Since ELP's Royal Albert Hall live cd, Carl - according to me - is going down day by day. Any comment by readers and by ELP digest writers will be appreciated. Nic Conti Livingstone --------------------------------------------- From: usat an [mailto:usat-an@katamail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 3:48 AM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: SOME NEWS FROM ITALY (Carl Palmer Drum Clinics) Hello John Carl had a few clinics in Italy - Verona – 29 november 2000 - Firenze – 30 november 2000 - Bologna – 1 december 2000 organized by Paolo Sburlati, a good friend of his. I went to the one in Bologna at the Music Academy 2000 (which is also in the USA, in Los Angeles I believe) that began at 7 and half p.m. and ended at 10 and half p.m.. I don’t know anything about the other of Verona and Firenze; anyway I learnt about those clinics from Paolo Rigoli, a smart boy who often send me interesting newsletters about ELP. Carl, while answering questions, performed a few solos: - with snare drum - with hi-hat - with brushes - and one he presented as “Marocco’s market”, inspired by a journey in North Africa. The last half hour there was a show with a cover band whose set list was: - KE9 1th impression part 2 - TARKUS (Eruption e Stones) - BARBARIAN - HOEDOWN - FANFARE (with solo). The cover band was formed by: - Max Gelsi on bass - Max Magagni on guitar - Michele Luppi on voice - Gianluca Tagliavini on Hammond C3 and keyboards. At the end of the show Carl autographed my Rome concert’s ticket of 21 july 1997 and my Royal Albert Hall video and at last I shake hands with him ! Thanks to my personal translator Raffa and thanks you John for your great job for our dear Keith, Greg and Carl. Francesco Schippa from Assisi Italy --------------------------------------------- From: Giedrius GAPSYS [gapsys@club-internet.fr] Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 11:50 AM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: RE: Emerson-Mozart Mr. Tim Ryan wrote in the last issue of the ELP-Digest (vol. 10 issue 5, dated 11/12/2000) : "Keith is the Mozart of our times". The remark is rather perspicacious: in terms of his musical talent - I think all readers of the ELP-digest would agree, - Emerson can be compared without exaggeration to any great music master of the past. But if one considers more specifically the style of his compositions, \takes into account as well his manner of piano playing and even thinks about a personality of the man, then the comparison to Mozart is short of insight. To my mind, Emerson is much more a "Beethoven type" of musician and composer than of a "Mozart type". Shall I be mistaken if I say that each époque usually produces several archetypes of musical genius, each gifted with talents on an equal level, but each very different in character. So that each would develop his own very particular style, but a in a complementary way they would shape together the musical language of their time. In this way, Vienna had Mozart and Haydn in 1780-ties and Beethoven in 1790-ties. Should we say: in the same manner as British rock'n'roll of the 1970-ties had its Mozart in the person of Rick Wakeman and its Beethoven in Keith Emerson. I find the comparison Emerson-Beethoven vs. Wakeman-Mozart particularly interesting to discuss as the similarities and the differences are reaching really deep. Emerson and Beethoven share the same aggressiveness, strength and darkness of music, just as Wakeman-Mozart type is marked by a musical naivety & lightness. Moreover, the deafness of Beethoven and the right-hand inability of Emerson seems to me just the two scenarios of the same tragic fate for a musician, who burned his talent, performing with an extreme generosity on the edge of the possibilities, which, at a long, led to an auto-destruction. I was thinking about many other composers of the past but didn't find anyone defining better than Beethoven what Emerson "is" or "is not". Here some of my list for consideration: KE is : more of Mussorgsky's than of Tchaikovsky's type more of Rachmaninoff than Scriabin; more of Stravinsky than Debussy; more of Berlioz than Chopin; more of Wagner than Bruckner; more of Haendel than Bach. Any other opinions? Congratulations to the editor for his excellent work. Keep the ELP Digest going ! Best regards G. J. GAPSYS, Paris --------------------------------------------- From: jack [jsuss@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 4:16 PM To: elp-digest-web@reluctant.com Subject: Big Momma & ELP Hi, Just wanted to drop a line to say how much I enjoy ELP Digest. And , while watching "Big Momma's House" recently, I caught some familiar sounding music during a karate fight scene. Sure enough, end of the movie credits listed "Nut Rocker" . It wasn't ELP's version , but similar sounding, nonetheless.. Anyone else pick up on this? Jack Susser jsuss@ix.netcom.com [ Editor's Note: I haven't seen this but I would venture a guess that the movie featured the original version of Nutrocker that was done by B. Bumble and the Stingers, the Oklahoma band that originated this in 1962. - John - ] --------------------------------------------- From: Russ [karnevel@pacbell.net] Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 1:34 PM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Submission for Digest In Digest V11 - #1, KYBDS@aol.com was writing about tape speed changes and 'formants' (vocal overtones) with regards to KE9 on Brain Salad Surgery, and how the live version sounded so different from the studio version. KYBDS wrote; "My suspicion is that KE originally wrote it in a comfortable key to play it; and then GL had to deal with where the vocal part was, pitch-wise." I would like to add to this discussion. I distinctly remember reading in a Keith Emerson interview that Emo had originally written KE9 in the higher (studio) key. If you have the 'Manticore' documentary tape, you will see the boys touring Europe (while recording the BSS studio album) and performing KE9 exactly as it sounds on the studio version (and it sounded HOT ! ) BTW, Greg used a double neck, bass and electric, guitar for those performances; the ONLY time I have ever seen him with a double neck guitar). Also, I have a bootleg tape (sorry guys) of ELP playing Gothenburg(?) Sweden in late 72 or early 73. Emo announces to the audience that they are going to play '...a song so new, that it doesn't have a name yet.' It turns out to be KE9, 1st Impression; the WHOLE thing from start to finish, and it is in the higher (studio) key. Anyhow, back to the interview: Emo was lamenting in the interview how he had to bring the key (of KE9, 1st Imp) down when they did the world tour because Greg just couldn't handle belting it out night after night on the road (in all fairness, who among us could ???). Bottom Line: To the best of my knowledge, the BSS studio key of KE9 1st Imp is the ORIGINAL key that Emo wrote it in, and that the boys performed it in. I really don't think there was any tape speed stuff going on (perhaps we can ask Greg himself through his new website, since he was the producer). Russ (karnevel@pacbell.com) --------------------------------------------- From: Brian Glock [bglock@jagunet.com] Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 8:52 AM To: elp-digest-web@reluctant.com Subject: BSS DVD audio John, received my BSS DVD audio yesterday............ Haven't really listened to the whole thing yet ( I know I should hand in my ELP fan card)... over all though it is an interesting re-mix...... I'll give it a good listen after re-calibrating the 5.1 set-up......... I did notice though that some sections the levels do not seem consistent, as mentioned by another digester in Jerusalem Greg's voice very in prominent in he center channel for the first line, then falls way back in the mix... kind of jarring. A lot of intersting things going on though There also appears to be too much of a pause between Jerusalem and Toccata......... One cool thing is the video still provided with each track ( playing on a "standard" DVD player) one big omission,,,,,,, for Lucky Man........... it lists Greg Lake, Vocals, Guitar, Bass Keith Emerson Moog,,, BUT no mention of Carl Palmer Drums............ opps :) Brian --------------------------------------------- From: Paul Vandersar [paulvds@ozemail.com.au] Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 8:58 AM To: ELP Digest Subject: Greg = Greg Greetings to the faithful... Thank you John, for persevering with the Digest. To those who complain about its erratic appearances: go stick your head in a pig, you ungrateful mangy dog! There, that's got that off my chest, now let's cross swords over Greg Lake (a bit of a stretch, I know). Someone suggests: replace Greg with John. Replace Greg with John?!? Wot, like ELP=EWP? I should think not! I'm sorry, no offence intended, but John simply isn't Greg. The magic of ELP was that each member was free to be themselves, and it was a meshing of diverse personalities that simply worked. No A&R man could ever hope to concoct such a chemistry as Keith, Greg and Carl created when they were together. Yeah, Greg's a little older these days, and his vocal range has become more limited, but it's the passion, the intent driving the music, that matters. And if for whatever reason Greg's (or Keith's, or Carl's) enthusiasm for ELP fades, the band should not continue to exist. This does not have to mean that it must be buried; instead it should remain as a potential creative node, awaiting the confluence of its elements. So don't kid yourself; you can't reconstitute the chemistry by substituting one of its ingredients. And let's face it: do we really want Keith and Carl to continue as part of their own cover band? You wouldn't drag, say, Jeff Lynne onstage with Paul, George and Ringo, and call them the Beatles. And what's this I spot? Another one of those insinuations that claim Keith played keyboards, Greg sang, and Carl was the drummer. Hello! Greg is a fine singer, his voice has been his calling card, but the man plays a mean guitar, people, and his bass style is both "in the pocket" and melodic, a rare gift. Sparse? Not an improviser? Put your headphones on and listen to the bottom line throughout ELP's recordings. Trilogy: Fugue, Hoedown, Trilogy; BSS: KE9 2i, KE9 3i; WBMFTTSTNE: Piano Improvisations; Works 1: Fanfare; Black Moon: Changing States. Okay, an obvious list, but think karaoke and mentally cut the bass, and then try to substitute your own lines. Eventually, you will draw the following conclusion: Greg's singing and playing Always Served the Music. So! Thus concludes my defence of Mr Lake, and I wipe my sword before thrusting it back into its jewelled scabbard. Eeuggh. And remember: the L in ELP stands for Lake. Greg Lake. It's been fun, cheers, Paul --------------------------------------------- From: Scott Bassin [sbassin@rockland.net] Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 2:00 PM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Fanfare For The Common Man 2 CD set Hi John, Did you by any chance get this CD set yet?? The reason I ask is that I bought a copy and the last 2 tracks on disc one are indexed wrong(no big deal) however the very last track on disc one "The Endless Enigma" fades out right before the "fugue" part and then there's about 18-20 seconds of dead space on the CD before the CD ends!!! The total playing time on the disc is 65 min so they could have easily put the whole song on. I did send an email to someone I know at the label in the UK but never heard back. Thanks Scott Bassin [ Editor's Note: I don't have this set. Any one else know if this is is a production mistake. This appears to be a UK release and I've never even seen it here in the US. - John - ] =========================== Questions (and Answers!) =========================== From: Rainer Boettchers [rainer.boettchers@fujitsu-siemens.com] Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 3:45 AM To: EGBOSS@aol.com Cc: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Greg Lake's Bass Style Hello Elaine, just regarding Greg's style of playing bass. I am an 44 year old bass player and ELP follower since 'the beginning' :-)). I did some transcriptions of Greg's songs and being able to play most of his bass lines (somebody out there in Germany for an ELP cover band? ;-): there is no definite personal thing in this. The bass lines Greg plays are of two types. 1) Bass lines written by Keith, I think (like the Tarkus intro, not that easy to play) and 2) bass lines from Greg (like on Take A Pebble). Example #1: Tarkus Intro G |---------1------------ D 6|-----1-----1---2------ A 8|---1---1-----1---2---- E |-1-----------------2-- (play it fast and hard ...) Some other examples and the full intro can be found at http://home.egge.net/~rainer.boettchers/row/archive.html The more interesting part is #2. Greg plays real standard 70ies rock bass sytle most times consisting of root, fifth, octaves or: walking bass lines (Take A Pebble, last neo-classic section). His WBLs are purely modal or chordal. I would say there is really nothing special in them and this gives his basswork the right context with Keith and Carl. He is a supporting bass player, well in time and straight forward especially with Carl. And for this reason he is a superior example for a bass player in the early ages of ProgRock. You may say that there are other kinds of bass styles in Greg's playing, like The Three Fates, Tank etc. But these bass lines, from my point of view, are not written by Greg but by Keith. The interesting part in the whole story is that Greg shows that beauty and feeling is not created by overstylished 64th notes tapped/slapped lines but by the proper context with the rest of the band. The simple the first bass pattern on Take A Pebble is the better it turns out in the context of the song. For my part Greg was always a bass player I admired, because of the simplicty that creates feel. The one thing _I_ learned from Greg: Keep it simple, keep it strong, stay tuned. Rainer []---------------------------------------------------------[] | http://www.justchords.de/ Die deutschen Bass- und | | ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Gitarren-Seiten | []---------------------------------------------------------[] --------------------------------------------- From: Keith Pomfret [keith@pomfret.co.uk] Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 9:50 AM To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Subject: The wars of the roses So, Todmorden is in West Yorkshire is it? Yup, since the early 1970s when the then government of Britain re-organised the county boundaries to catch more votes. However, I suspect that when Emo was born, Todmorden (or at least part of it) was within Lancashire. But, does it really matter whether Emo is a Lancastrian or a Yorkist? Well it does if you're a Lancastrian (I am) and it does if you are a Yorkist (like your correspondent in the previous issue) Do we know which bit of Todmorden Emo was born in? Can the county archivists of Lancashire and the West Riding (for Yorkshire was cleft into ridings in those days) give us the good (or bad) word Does Emo carry the Red Rose of Lancaster or the White Rose of York? Cheers Keith P (happily domicile in Scotland) [ Editor' Note: An ELP Digest assistant tells me the new Forrester book says the family was only in Todmorden "fearing a German invasion of the South Coast" ... and that as soon as the coast was clear (pun intended) they moved back South with five-month-old Keith. So he’s really a Sussex lad ... and anyway, seeing as how he always refers to Todmorden as being in Lancashire (his Website bios, etc.) we should probably respect his choice. - John - ] --------------------------------------------- From: Nick Robinson [nick@12testing.net] Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 12:29 PM To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Re: ELP Digest Vol. 10 #5 > Did he told someone why he did > that, especialy after playing "America"? I feel their interpretation of "America" was intended as a powerful anti- Vietnam War statement, even without lyrics as such. Burning an image of the flag would therefore be quite in context. All the best, Nick Robinson --------------------------------------------- From: Neil Potts [neil@ringwood12.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 5:36 PM To: ELP Digest; hughc@automotive.emap.co.uk Subject: I Believe in Father Christmas I have the original sheet music for "I believe in Father Christmas" it does include chords but this is not what Greg used when playing.The sheet music is for piano and I suspect the chords are more for keyboard then guitar. I have managed to work out most of the guitar part but you have to tune the guitar differently. This I found in the ELP manuscript book. In this the suggested tuning is as follows: Tune 6th string down one whole step to D Tune 3rd string up one whole step to A This will make the strings D A D A B E (I think is open G) Be careful when tuning 3rd string up as I have had a few strings snap on me. From here on in its finger picking but I'm not to sure how to put this down on paper. It gets easier with practise and I can manage most until it comes to the "Lieutenant Kije" section. The music was published by Manticore Music Ltd/Music sales Limited there is a number on the back but I don't know if its relevant even so its EP2001X. The ELP songbook was published by Manticore Music ISBN 0.86001.522.X.This also includes the guitar part in Take a Pebble. You can also find out just how hard ELP's music is to play, loads of flats and sharps. I hope this is of use, drop me a line if you feel like it. Regards Neil Potts --------------------------------------------- From: Julian Chancellor [chancellor@jazzfree.com] Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 5:47 PM To: John Arnold, ELP Digest Subject: I Believe in Father Christmas sheet music Dear John, In answer to a query in the latest digest, the sheet music for I Believe in Father Christmas is included in a book of ELP sheet music called, very stangely in my view, Greatest Hits. This includes a few pieces previously published in the black book, ie Trilogy, The Endless Enigma, and Take a Pebble. The publisher is Amsco Publications, and I'm sure it can be bought through Amazon. If anybody can let me know where I can get the Tarkus songbook (yes, the same old questions) I'd be very grateful. This is my first message to the digest, and I would like to say how much I value it and appreciate the incredible amount of time and effort you put into it. I have adored ELP since 1971 when I first heard the first album and Tarkus as a young teenager. I saw them in London (the Melody Maker poll concert at the Oval cricket ground) in September 1972, in Brussels in April 1973 and at Wembley, London in 1974. I love all the albums, even bits of Works 2 and very small bits of Love Beach, although I've never even heard In the Hot Seat which seems (rightly?) to have disappeared from retail outlets. Anyone know where I can get it in Europe, or Keith's Changing States? Very best wishes and THANKS, Julian Chancellor. [ Editor's Note: I don't know about the availability of Changing States these days but "In the Hot Seat" is still available on many of the major CD sites. - John - ] --------------------------------------------- From: Russ [karnevel@pacbell.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 12:37 AM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Keith, Nice, and American Flag I have a recording of an interview that Emo did for a Southern California radio station (KMET; now defunct) back in the early 80's when he was promoting the upcoming Nighthawks film (which he did the soundtrack for). He spoke at length about the 'burning flag' incident. He said that the Nice was performing at the Royal Albert Hall, and that there was this big piece of cloth (somewhat like a hanging bedsheet) up on the stage wall behind the band. I got the impression from the interview that the band had deliberately hung the sheet there for Keith to whip up the stars and stripes using spray paints that he had brought along for the occasion (for the song 'America' ). He said he had only planned on creating this 'flag' (not burning it); it was just going to be part of the show, a political statement for politically volatile times (this was about 1967 or so). However, there was a guy at the edge of the backstage area who was goading Emo on, while Emo was creating his 'stars and stripes' with the spray paints (during Brian Davidson's electric guitar solo). According to Emo, this backstage guy was saying 'Come on boy, yeah that's great, come on !' ) and he was holding a lighter. Emo calmly walked over, took the lighter from the guy, walked back on stage, lit up 'old glory', and then went back to playing the L-100. He didn't think twice about it. It was all very spontaneous. At the end of the song 'America', with the 'flag' torched, the audience was absolutely silent; nobody applauded. Driving home after the show, the band heard on the radio that they had been banned for life from RAH for burning the American Flag. The band was quite happy; this was their first 'big break' with getting major media attention. karnevel@pacbell.net "There's no end, to my life; no beginning to my death. Death......is......life." --------------------------------------------- From: MACglon@cs.com Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 10:15 AM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: ELP live recordings too fast/ too slow? In response to a response to Paul Kirk's question about the speed of Emerson's playing... If you listen to one of these bootleg recordings of, say, Hoedown, then immediately A/B it with a "legitimate" commercial version from the same era, two things become readily apparent: the speed is slightly different...because the pitch is different! Call me one of these E.T.s blessed/cursed with "perfect pitch"! I first noticed that, on one bootleg, the music is about a half-step higher than it should be ( and hence a little faster! ). No, the commercial releases aren't "slowed down"...rather, the bootleg tapes were probably played back on a different deck than what they were originally recorded on ( my guess is that an engineer-- who is now sequestered in a witness protection program for letting this stuff out!--covertly recorded these shows on a rack-mounted cassette deck at the board, then years later played them back on his personal deck, burning them to CD ). The concerts definitely are running a bit too fast...if only they'd had HiFi VCRs or DAT decks during the dark seventies... My question to this erstwhile ELP soundman, wherever he is, is: Did you do this with or without the band's sanction? I'm glad you taped these shows, but, assuming you did this on the sly, why didn't you merely get a direct recording from the board, thereby not only being more discreet sans microphones, but also resulting in a far cleaner-sounding, albeit sterile, recording? Hey, I'm not looking a gift horse in the mouth, believe me! I'm just curious as to why it was done in a manner that had to be pretty obvious...unless the band wanted the sound guy to record them this way in order to hear exactly what they sounded like out in the audience. Well, we all know now, don't we? So: Whoever you are, we'd all appreciate an anonymous note in the February ish of Sound& Vision telling all (!) Seriously, we're all extremely grateful you had the foresight to capture these guys unedited and in all their raunchy, imperfect glory! Last but not least. In listening to these unsanctioned "diamonds in the rough", one has to wonder: Why did some of those obnoxious yahoos pay to get in, only to continually jabber and yell throughout the show? These recordings have been not only nostalgic but a reminder of precisely why I stopped going to concerts! --------------------------------------------- From: Rene Berube [drixy@videotron.ca] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 9:57 PM To: digest-mailer@reluctant.com Subject: I BELIEVE IN FATHER CHRISTMAS GUITAR SHEET Hi, The song "I Believe In Father Christmas" was featured among others inside a special issue of GUITAR Magazine titled GUITAR CLASSICS HOLIDAY ROCK published in 1995. The full guitar tabbed version it is! Sadly, the issue is now out of print... Those interested can let me know. René in Montréal drixy@videotron.ca --------------------------------------------- From: Sean Matthews [seanmatt@enoreo.on.ca] Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 6:36 PM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: In response to Eric Fischbein In response to Eric Fischbein's question regarding K.E.'s movie soundtrack, he's actually done five that I know of: Nighthawks (a classic Thriller, starring a bearded Sylvester Stallone, Billy Dee Williams and Rutger Hauer as the bad guy, of course!), Best Revenge, Inferno and Murderock and ?. Inferno, directed by Italian horrormeister Dario Argenti, scared the bejeezus out of me, by the way. Someone else out there might know where you could get the original sound tracks to any of those films. I used to have Nighthawks on vinyl -- it was widely released -- and I recall seeing Murderock on vinyl, too, but to my shame never picked it up because the Italian import was waaay too expensive for me at the time. Some of the music from these films is on a CD I have called The Emerson Collection. Does anyone know what the value of that CD might be, out of curiosity? It was released in 1986 on Chord Records. The liner notes are written by Brian Newman (who's he?) and don't elaborate on the production of the CD at all. It just gives a 1986 perspective of a K.E. bio. Sean [ Editor's Note: Other KE soundtrack work includes "The Church," "Harmageddon," and the TV scoring of Iron Man." "The Emerson Collection" seems to be the toughest KE CD to find these days. I haven't seen it in a store in a long, long time. - John - ] --------------------------------------------- From: Glenn F Leonard [gleonard9@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 12:28 PM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Lee & 4ths & 5ths Someone asked about Lee Jackson -- wasn't there a Nice reunion recently? I had the pleasure of sharing the bill with Par Lindh who said he briefly played with Lee & Blinky in Europe but no recording came of it. Eric wants to know about more composers who like 4ths & 5ths :^) Try McCoy Tyner & Vince Guaraldi in the jazz section. I was listening to Vince when I read this post & was just thinking "there's an Emerson run....there's another." McCoy emerged in the 50s & Vince in the 60s. Glenn Leonard --------------------------------------------- From: R. Miller [landing@mindspring.com] Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 7:22 AM To: elp-digest-web@reluctant.com Subject: Looking 4 video Hi, I happened upon your site, and thought you might know where to locate some ELP footage that I have been trying to locate for some time. It is footage of them (a long time ago) in a big stadium in the middle of the winter in Canada somewhere, as I remember. They are wearing fur or heavy coats I think, and the stadium is empty. Any idea if this is avilable anywhere? Any info is greatly appreciated! Thanks, Robert [ Editor's Note: This was a video of ELP in the Olympic Stadium, Montreal that was made during the spring reharsals/preparation for the Works tour that started with the orchestra. (Though I'm not sure they're actually playing it. I think they may have been faking along with the record so this could be a video to go along with the Fanfare single.) Anyway, as I recall, though these preparations were in April or May, a late season snow storm made the weather very un-Spring like. So, they filmed this with their winter garb. They actually played this video on the bog screen during the intermission at the Olympic Stadium concert later that summer. I don't remember if this video appears on the concert video of that performance or not. If it does, it's available on "Works Orchestral Tour, Olympic Stadium, Montreal, 1977" at http://www.emersonlakepalmer.com/merch14.html If it's not on that video, I'm not sure where it might be commercially available but perhaps another reader will let us know. - John - ] --------------------------------------------- From: RNewell@dhhs.state.nh.us Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 3:21 PM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: I Believe in Father Christmas sheet music There is a posting in the most recent digest concerning sheet music for "Father Christmas". It can be found on sheetmusicplus.com. It comes in a book called Emerson Lake and Palmer: Greatest Hits. --------------------------------------------- From: markandshawna [shoo@i4f.net] Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 7:18 PM To: elp-digest-web@reluctant.com Subject: Piano sheet music Hello, I was wondering if you would be able to help me. I used to own the piano sheet music to Benny the Bouncer by ELP. I have lost through a move and would love to know where I can go to get a copy. I have looked all over the internet with no avail. Please help if you can. Thank you and Happy Holidays, Mark [ Editor's Note: I don't recall if this is in the "shiny" black book of ELP sheet music or the "not shiny" black book of ELP sheet music. Both of these books had very similar sounding names but different contents. Anyway, it was in one of them. I've been told one of these might be available at BarnesAndNoble.com. So, this may be worth a look at www.bn.com and search (in BOOKS, not music) for "Emerson Lake Palmer". - John - ] --------------------------------------------- From: Stephen Clang [saclang@xpres.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 7:59 PM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Asia - "Days like these" Hello ELP Fans, I was wondering, does anybody know, is that Greg Lake singing "Days Like These" on the break before the final chorus on that song from: ASIA, Then And Now" ? I know Greg's voice, and it sure as heck sounds like him..... Steve C. --------------------------------------------- From: Dominick Castaldo [dominick_castaldo@mcgraw-hill.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 11:29 PM To: elp-digest-web@reluctant.com Subject: Orchestral and/or Symphonic ELP CDs Hello. Thank you for your time and correspondence, and for an avenue to research for ELP music. And for your expertise ! I am seeking any/all commercially -released Symphonic and/or Orchestral ELP CDs (no bootlegs, please) including names of such collections (with recording label) and places/references to help me obtain them . Thank you again for your assistance with this. PS I saw ELP in Madison Sq Garden for the Works Tour - you (had to) see the show ! D J C --------------------------------------------- From: Barry [barryt@ic24.net] Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 7:46 PM To: Elp Digest Subject: Father Christmas Guitar part John Someone asked for Guitar part of I believe in Father Christmas, there's a Guitar Tab at http://tab.nutz.org/olga/main/e/emerson_lake_and_palmer/father_christmas.tab Also try http://www.harmony-central.com/Guitar/OLGA/all/emerson_lake_and_palmer.html for other songs. Barry --------------------------------------------- From: Peter Wilton [pjsw@beaufort.demon.co.uk] Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 4:36 AM To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com; mail@epasc.com Subject: Re: ELP Digest V11 #1 In message <20010216041612452.AAA16164@JEA1>, digest-mailer@reluctant.com writes >From: Eric [mail@epasc.com] >Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 12:04 PM >To: elp-digest-web@reluctant.com >Subject: trivia question about Keith Emerson > >Deal ELP Digest, > >There was a television show in Italy in 1980 called "Variety." > >Keith Emerson appeared on the opening titles of the show playing his >keyboard while a parade of people followed, like the Pied Piper. > >Do you know of this show and most importantly, do you know the name of the >song he played? The instrumental he was playing is "Salt Cay" from his solo album Honky, now released on CD (got one from Amazon.co.uk just the other day). The video you mention can be watched on Keith Emerson's web site. -- Peter Wilton The Gregorian Association Web Page: http://www.beaufort.demon.co.uk --------------------------------------------- ELP DigestFrom: Cheryl Hudson [Cheryl.Hudson@jda.com] Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 9:02 AM To: 'ELP-digest@reluctant.com ' Subject: K. Emerson’s Autobiography Would anyone know when K.Emerson is suppose to finish his autobiography? Cheryl Hudson JDA Arthur Software, Inc. 1101 Technology Drive, Ste. 100 Ann Arbor MI 48108 voice: 734.887.4567 fax: 734.887.4555 [ Editor's Note: The latest news seems to be in the new Forrester book. It says that Keith has "passed the book to old pal Chris Welch, who began the massive task of editing. Perhaps in 2001?" Hope springs eternal. - John - ] --------------------------------------------- From: Mary Ann Burns [maburns@nac.net] Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 6:28 PM To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Re: BSS DVD-A re the BSS DVD-Audio : Although I do not have a DVD-A player, I was able to access the video clips by going to the last music track then using the 'shuffle' key. Somehow, the videos started. (the first time they started with the third clip) I can't access the photo gallery and the biography sections though. I have a Sony DVD-player...but was told by someone else that the videos could possibly be accessed by using the chapter key. Sounds incredible anyway!! Mary Ann --------------------------------------------- From: LCCD [mil@execpc.com] Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 5:37 AM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: CARL PALMER'S SNARE DRUM ON BRAIN SALAD SURGERY Hi, I'm responding to Steve Barber's query as to what kind of snare drum Carl Palmer used on the Brain Salad Surgery album. The snare drum was a Ludwig 6 1/2"x14" Supersensitive. This was the snare drum used by Carl from early 1972 until mid 1976. Carl had an endorsement with Ludwig drums from early 1972 until he got the stainless steel set, which was in late October of 1973, in time for the Brain Salad Surgery tour. Contrary to popular belief, Carl DID NOT use the stainless steel set on the Brain Salad Surgery album. He used a Ludwig Black Vistalite set in similar sizes to the stainless steel set. The two drumsets sound somewhat similar due to the fact that both consisted mainly of single headed concert toms. You can see Carl using the Ludwig black vistalite set on the Manticore documentary. All of the pictures that I have seen from 1972-74 always show Carl's set with a 6 1/2"x14" Ludwig Supersensitive. In the many times I have met and spoken with Carl, he himself has confirmed this. I myself own a 1970's Ludwig 6 1/2"x14" Supersensitive,and it's a truly great sounding snare drum. You can hear for yourself on Brain Salad Surgery. Carl switched in mid 1976 to a Premier 2001 5 1/2"x14" snare drum. He used this snare with ELP all the way through to the Love Beach album. All the best, Milo Sekulovich --------------------------------------------- From: Mike Florio [mflorio@bestweb.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 1:27 PM To: r.cooper@rmd250b.roma.alespazio.it Cc: elp-digest-web@reluctant.com Subject: ELP Gold Records All ELP's albums released in the 70's were certified Gold (500,000 copies) by the RIAA shortly after they were released. See www.riaa.org and search for "Emerson Lake Palmer". >I was wondering how many in fact - the real truth - is it possible >to find on a web site somewhere this info. I would imagine that Tarkus >sold about 500,000 in the UK? Mike =========================== New ELP Releases/Products/Links (The ELP Digest does not endorse, etc.) =========================== From: Bill Berends [bberends@k2nesoft.com] Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 2:09 AM To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Re: ELP Influences Check out the early MASTERMIND albums... there are audio samples on the Mastermind web site. The Brainstorm suite might be a good place to start (as the working title was "guitarkus" :)). http://www.k2nesoft.com/mastermind/sounds.html To hear the full 21 minute piece in streaming RealAudio... http://www.k2nesoft.com/mastermind/audio/Brainstorm_suite.ram As the band grew the ELP influence became a little less prominent, but the newest album "Angels of the Apocalypse" has nice cover (tribute?) version of "The Endless Enigma" featuring lots of little ELP tidbits that a real fans might appreciate. The track (and whole album) features another keyboard monster who's birthday coincidentally enough also falls on Nov. 2nd..... Jens Johansson. Bill Berends c/o Mastermind ======================================== Bill Berends www.k2nesoft.com/mastermind www.stellarvox.com ======================================== --------------------------------------------- From: A. Mark Fonda [amfonda@houston.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 7:01 AM To: elp-digest-web@reluctant.com Subject: e-Prog - Home of Keyboard-Based Progressive Rock In case any of you have not checked it out already, all you ELP fans hungry for more Hammond and Synth... check out e-Prog at www.e-Prog.net!! e-Prog is devoted to Progressive Rock that highlights keyboards such as synthesizers, piano, Moog, Mellotron, Hammond and others. The goal is to enhance the listening experience by providing a forum to discuss bands, albums, concerts, news and equipment. It is geared towards fans, artists, producers, promoters and distributors... worldwide we have members from 34 countries. The acts likely to be discussed are such classics as Pink Floyd, King Crimson, Genesis, ELP, Yes, PFM, Triumvirat, Goblin, Metamorphosi, Renaissance, Wakeman and Emerson as well as newer groups such as Solaris, Spock's Beard, Ars Nova, Glass Hammer, Quaterna Requiem, Tempus Fugit, After Crying, Pär Lindh Project, Gerard, Romantic Warriors, Niacin and Redjy Emond. There is a companion website at http://www.e-prog.net which archives pertinent dialog from the list's postings. The website also has prog-related links, books, magazines, festivals, radio, top albums, prog-reviews and our very own e-Progeny CD!! See you there... Mark Fonda --------------------------------------------- Digest subscription, mailing address, and administrative stuff to: elp-digest-request@reluctant.com ELP-related info that you want to put in the digest to: elp-digest@reluctant.com Back issues are available from the ELP Digest web site. 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