ELP Digest 13 April 2004 Volume 14 : Issue 3 The "When the Apple Blossoms Bloom..." Edition including the belated Carl Palmer birthday edition! Today's Topics: Breaking News, Rumors, Etc. - john mayer (March 15, 2004) - Re: ELP Digest Vol. 14 #2 (March 18, 2004) - (rumor) ELP to appear live on German TV (March 18, 2004) - *How the Moog Synthesizer Became a Household Name* (March 18, 2004) - Emo in German TV ? (March 21, 2004) - Emerson's Piano Concerto in Oz, Masters from the Vault (March 29, 2004) - Fw: Credits (April 10, 2004) Reader Commentary - ELP and NY KNICKS! (March 4, 2004) - Masters From The Vaults DVD (March 9, 2004) - The "Emo Was ELP" Myth (March 11, 2004) - re: Pictures DVD/film (March 18, 2004) - Re: ELP Digest Vol. 14 #01 (re: Criticism) (March 18, 2004) - RE: ELP Digest Vol. 14 #2 Heresy or ELP Cathars (March 18, 2004) - Re: Heresy or ELP Cathars (March 22, 2004) - The Hall disses ELP once again! (March 23, 2004) - ELP for "HOF" ever? (March 26, 2004) - Re: ELP BOOTLEG - MASTERS FROM THE VAULT (March 30, 2004) - ELPowell and Japanese pro-wrestling (April 2, 2004) - New Concerto for fans of ELP (April 5, 2004) - ELP Video (April 5, 2004) - ELP in DARKWOOD (April 5, 2004) Questions (and Answers!) - emos bike info (February 12, 2004) - Question about 1996 Brain Salad Surgery remaster (March 4, 2004) - for next avail digest (March 10, 2004) ELP-related products, tribute bands, promoters (The ELP Digest does not endorse, etc.) - elp cds and memorabilia (March 1, 2004) - Masters From The Vault (March 31, 2004) Follow-up from the past few Digests about Greg Lake's beliefs - Re: ELP Digest Vol. 14 #2 (March 18, 2004) - re: A Fan Of Father Christmas (April 1, 2004) - Who cares? (April 3, 2004) =========================== Prelude =========================== Hi. Lots of news has been going on in between Digests. Due to my hectic business schedule, I wasn't able to get the Digest out in time for Carl's birthday. However, we all wish him the best for another year. It sounds like the clinics and concerts are still under way and/or being planned. There are also some items regarding the playing of Keith's Piano Concerto #1 in Australia in March. Also, 2 big pieces of news from the KeithEmerson.com site (more details below). Keith's online store has re-opened with autographed copies of the latest edition of 'Pictures Of An Exhibitionist' and a few other things being available. And Keith has announced two appearances in New York City in May: One at the 'MoogFest' and a one night appearance of 'The Keith Emerson Band'. Both at BB King's club near Times Square. There's news of Greg's recording with The Who, too. In a bit of sad news, we have learned that John Mayer (not the newly famous one but the man who worked with Keith on Piano Concerto #1) died. There's some news here and Martyn Hanson has gratiously sent along some photocopies of his obituary. I'll be putting those up on the www.brain-salad.com site in the near future. Finally, at the end of this edition, I hope we can come to terms with our differences of opinion about whether fans care about Greg's religious beliefs or not. I've allowed the question to be asked and a few people to respond. There are a few more responses in this edition. However, I must note that what seemed a simple question by a fellow reader is coming dangerously close to a 'flame war' which I won't permit in the Digest. So, I hope to leave the flames aside from now on and will ask that we all try to focus on the ELP/music aspect of the question. Otherwise, we'll just have to drop it. I hope you understand. The ELP Digest has been around for 13+ years and I don't want to see its participants engage in anything but polite and intelligent discussion. I know it's a highly personal topic and I will trust that together we can make it work. Be nice! 'nuff said. And there's a lot more. On with the show... - John - ------------------------------ Latest News from the Official ELP sites .... Lots of news on Keith's site - learn about gigs in NYC on May 18 and May 21 and a new download, too! Links to all are at: http://www.keithemerson.com/News/whatsnew.html Also, the online store is back, powered by PayPal, and among other things they've got autographed copies of the autobiography. Check it out at: http://www.keithemerson.com/Store/KE-store.html --------------------------------------------- Greg's site has exciting news about the release of the Who's new single, "Real Good Lookin' Boy," which features Greg on bass! See a personal note from Greg as well as rave reviews about Greg's new release "Deeper Into The Mine" at: http://www.greglake.com/newsite/newhotsheet.asp --------------------------------------------- Carl's site has news about contest winners, drum clinics and more at: http://www.carlpalmer.com/news.html Happy (belated) birthday, Carl! Enjoy. =========================== Breaking News, Rumors, Etc. =========================== From: Martyn Hanson Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 3:31 PM To: ELP Digest Subject: john mayer John Mayer was killed in a road accident on 9th March. John is known by ELP fans for his work on the Works 1 album. He also worked, uncredited, on the Works 2 album; he is heard counting in 'Maple Leaf Rag'. But he also did a considerable amount of work for The Nice - although he never actually recorded with them. It was during my research for The Nice book that I met him. When I first contacted him he was surprised because nobody had ever asked him about those parts of his career. I met him at the Birmingham Conservatoire where he held the prestigious position of composer-in-residence. In fact, the ELP convention was held there in 1995. We spoke for two hours and it was clear that he had fond memories of both The Nice and ELP. He especially enjoyed the six months he worked with Keith on the Works project. After our meeting we spoke many times on the phone, he would always find time to answer my questions. As The Nice book got closer to publication I invited him to the launch. Unfortunately, just weeks before the event he had a heart attack and he couldn't attend. However, he was determined that he should be represented, so he sent a friend of his along instead. That was typical of John. He was such a polite, kind and caring man. I feel very sad that I'm never going to hear his voice again. The music world has lost a true giant. My deepest sympathy goes to Gillian and the family. Martyn Hanson --------------------------------------------- From: Roy Henderson Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 4:04 AM To: ELP-digest Subject: Re: ELP Digest Vol. 14 #2 March 18th Dear Digest, Did anyone else note that John Mayer's obituary was in the British Press last weekend? He played an important part in Keith's career in both The Nice and ELP. Roy Henderson Glasgow --------------------------------------------- From: Prott, Bernd, PGM Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 2:27 AM To: elp-digest Subject: (rumor) ELP to appear live on German TV Hello ELP folks, Believe it or not, ELP will most likely appear live on Germany's ZDF TV-channel on the 17th of April 2004. Thomas Gottschalk, who is Germany's top TV showmasters, announced that he is working on a special TV show to celebrate the 50th anniversary of Rock Music. During this show there will be live contributions of bands like Queen, Jethro Tull and alike. He explicitly mentioned that the ZDF is working hard to bring ELP back together (Thomas is a big ELP fan himself) for this special show, because they are a cornerstone of Rock Music (no doubt about this, Thomas). There is word around that Keith himself has talked about a upcoming trip to Germany this April to appear in a special TV show. Therefore, for all ELP fans who can watch Germany's ZDF TV, mark this date. Even though I assume that ELP will perform just a single piece, nobody knows what can happen if our 3 heroes come together to rehearse and play for such a show. Take care Bernd Prott [ Editor's Note: This is the first I have heard of this and would caution readers to file this as a 'rumor'. Of course, if any fans in Germany - after the fact - can tell us what transpires, we'd love to know. - John - ] --------------------------------------------- From: Graham Kennedy Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 4:13 AM To: elp-digest Subject: *How the Moog Synthesizer Became a Household Name* Dr Robert Moog and Jean Jacques Perry are due to give presentations in Aberdeen and Edinburgh during on Wednesday, April 28 TripTych festival - Aberdeen, Scotland @ the Lemon Tree and Friday, April 30 TripTych festival - Edinburgh, Scotland @ Queens Hall. Tickets are £8 for Aberdeen. Aberdeen link is http://www.triptych04.com/html/artists/drRobertMoog.html --------------------------------------------- From: family.friederich Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 12:08 PM To: elp-digest Subject: Emo in German TV ? Hi all, I'd like to tell you about a special which will be in German TV on April 17th. The show is called *50 years of rock* and will last 3 hours. As far as one get to know yet, Keith, Ian Anderson, Jon Lord and a lot of others will be in this show. (Gary Brooker, Barry Ryan, Eric Burdon, Bobby Kimball etc) Cheers Gudrun ELP cover artwork and tourinfos on : www.covers-at-an-exhibition.de --------------------------------------------- From: Tony Wawryk Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:17 AM To:elp-digest Subject: Emerson's Piano Concerto in Oz, Masters from the Vault Hello John, Thought you and Digest readers might like to see this review from the Adelaide press on the performance of Emo's Piano Concerto by the Adelaide Symphony Orchestra earlier this month - it seems like the words 'over the top' will be forever associated with ELP! Still, it's by no means a negative review, and KE must be thrilled to have had his classical work given legitimacy by a genuine classical orchestra and performer. Myself, I always liked it. But then, I'm biased. "Adelaide Symphony Orchestra Once upon a time - the '70s to be exact - there was a lot of excitement about the rock - classical crossovers of Emerson, Lake and Palmer. Their version of Mussorgsky's Pictures at an Exhibition seemed like a momentous event to some. ELP evidently still commands the allegiance of many fans, judging by the rapturous reception of Keith Emerson's Piano Concerto at this concert. Some of the enthusiasm must also have been for the intrepid pianist, Michael Kieran Harvey. The solo part is bristling with notes - many possibly superfluous - and Harvey obviously relished the challenge. It's not a work that gave much scope for Harvey to show his sensitive, poetic side. The cursory slow movement is hastily abandoned by the composer (not without a certain wry humour) in order to rush back into frenetic activity in the manic finale. Harvey's performance was a sustained act of pianistic hyperactivity that reached a high point in his version of the first movement cadenza. "Over the top" seems scarcely adequate to describe this pianistic onslaught of death-defying octaves and split-brain cross rhythms. In a neat piece of programming, the concerto was followed by Pictures at an Exhibition, in Ravel's orchestration rather than the ELP version. (End)" With regard to the Masters from the Vault DVD, I got it from Amazon only last week, so it's still out there despite the best efforts of Pilato and co. I was pleasantly surprised by the quality of sound and vision. There are a few dodgy TV production gimmicks (although nowhere near as bad as on the Pictures DVD) and there are some interesting continuity clashes - Lake's shirt changes and then changes back again, Palmer also switches between being with and without shirt. There's even one section where I'm sure a one-note insert from Pictures (on the PAAE album it introduces Lake's acoustic segment) is dropped into the performance. One of the other really cool things about this is the joy and exuberance the band display - there're even some laughs between Palmer and Lake (who also attempts some good old-fashioned blues shouting) while performing Pebble - it belies the accusations of over-earnestness often aimed at ELP. Exciting though this is for ELP fans, if Manticore pulled their fingers out, I'm sure many of us would be less inclined to buy 'unofficial' releases such as this, especially as the band seemingly gets nothing for this. Like nearly everyone else who reads the Digest, I'd love to see footage from Cal Jam. As always, thanks for keeping the Digest going - we all appreciate it. Best regards Tony Wawryk --------------------------------------------- From: Mike and Jos Le Voi Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 12:01 AM To: John Arnold Subject: Fw: Credits (following is a review of the concert at which Keith's Concerto #1 was played in Australia - source unknown. Note: ASO = Adelaide Symphony Orchestra) Moving Pictures Michael Kieran Harvey / ASO / Kristjan Jarvi Sat 20 March In this first concert in the Master series, Jarvi continues to display his eclecticism in a programme that brings together music in different styles and from different cultures. The virtuosic qualities of the ASO were celebrated in a fine account of Moussorgsky's descriptive piano work Pictures At An Exhibition as famously orchestrated by Maurice Ravel. Jarvi's attention to orchestral colour, detail and textures were amply displayed; but it was in the first two works on the programme that both conductor and the orchestra truly excelled. The Czech composer Bohuslav Martinu is primarily celebrated for his six symphonies. By the time he came to write his Second symphony in 1943, Martinu had not sighted his homeland for 20 years. And yet in this lyrical and approachable work, the images of his homeland are clearly presented - creating a pastoral symphony of sorts. This rarely performed was given an exemplary performance with Jarvi relishing the rhythmic bite and swagger of the Scherzo, leading to uninhibited and unreserved applause at the conclusion of the movement. The curiosity of this programme lay in the Piano Concerto #1 (1977) by the famed 'prog Rock' pioneer and virtuoso, keyboardist Keith Emerson. And the idea of pairing it with the Moussorgsky/Ravel was an ingenious one as Emerson, Lake and Palmer had achieved fame due to their rock interpretation of this colourful score. As a composition this relatively concentrated if somewhat short work brought together a mix of Bach and the spikiness of Prokofiev and the great Argentinian Alberto Ginastera. The work's concluding fiery toccata obviously owes much to this undervalued Latin American composer. But it was in the solo cadenzas of the opening and closing movements that the work's strengths were made apparent and this was primarily due to the brilliance and total identification with the work by pianist Michael Kieran Harvey. The clarity and prestidigitation of this pianist is simply awesome and during these sections of the work, the conductor was understandably content to watch his soloist with arms crossed and a huge smile on his face. But the question remains - Is this a great concerto? However in the hands of such a fine pianist, well, quite frankly, who cares? The thorny microtonal sweep and rhythmic drive of Australian composer Carl Vine further demonstrated the wizardry of Harvey's pianism in an equally well played and received encore. Brett Allen-Bayes =========================== Reader Commentary =========================== From: Allegra, Paul Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 9:46 AM To: elp-digest Subject: ELP and NY KNICKS! I was driving home last night listening to WFAN b/c the Knick game was coming on. During the Pre-game commentary, in the background you could hear "Welcome back.......see the show!" It was an edited version played right before the player intros. Just wanted to share this. Someone in the NBA must be a fan. Thanks - Paul Allegra --------------------------------------------- From: Peter M Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 5:01 PM To: elp-digest Subject: Masters From The Vaults DVD Having heard from your good selves that the Masters From The Vaults DVD is in fact unofficial and not to purchase it, made me think, why hasn't The Manticore Special and The 1977 Orchestra Live DVD ever been released in the UK? How can the UK fans be assured that this new ELP DVD featuring a whole host of material will be released over here? I always thought that ELP were in fact from the UK, but we seem to lose out over here! --------------------------------------------- From: Mike Werkman Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 4:52 PM To: ELP Digest Subject: The "Emo Was ELP" Myth From the last Digest: >>> I will restate the same comments I have been making here for >>> years - Emerson is the key to ELP. He wrote all their best music; >>> his playing is key to all their songs. Carl and Greg were along >>> for the ride, to various degrees. Keith is certainly the most >>> beloved member of the band and there is a really good reason for >>> that - he was ELP. >>> >>> [...] I can't let blatant nonsense like this pass by without comment. ELP might never have reached the level of stadium act in the 1970's without a certain little ditty called "Lucky Man" receiving crucial radio airplay at the beginning of their career. What would "Tarkus" be without "Battlefield"? Oh, their Top 40 hit "From The Beginning" didn't hurt either. Who recruited Peter Sinfield to help with those magnificent lyrics to "Karn Evil 9" and "Pirates"? Who had the best voice in rock in the 1970's? Who produced all the albums that are considered their finest? Who received an unprecedented sweep of magazine poll awards for 1972? Let's see, whose current band is drawing rave reviews for their performances of classic ELP tunes while he still drums at a high level? Who pioneered the use of synthesized percussion? The answer, my friends, to the above questions is not Keith Emerson. Mike W. --------------------------------------------- From: Doug Reith-Hart Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 1:35 AM To: elp-digest Subject: re: Pictures DVD/film It sure was nice to hear that this footage still exists "intact." It seems to me though that this guy: robert.garofalo at classicpictures.co.uk should be talking to this guy: Bruce Pilato, Manticore about getting it included in the forthcoming DVD set. I just hope that this fellow is not going to hold the footage "hostage" for an unreasonable $$ amount. --------------------------------------------- From: Jason Sobol Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 5:11 PM To: ELP-Digest Subject: Re: Re: ELP Digest Vol. 14 #01 (re: Criticism) This response is to this e-mail in the Feb/Mar ELP Digest: From: Grove Bolles Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 1:17 PM To: ELP-Digest Subject: Re: ELP Digest Vol. 14 #01 (re: Criticism) I totally agree with Grove on the matter of when a band looses the vocals of a prolific frontman, such as Greg Lake, or Dennis DeYoung/Styx David Lee Roth AND Sammy Hagar/Van Halen. I just recently saw Dennis DeYoung come to Cleveland and do a solo show (sort of...he had HIS band there) doing Styxx music, and I must say, the show was EXCEPTIONAL! When you loose a voice like that from a band, you tend to loose the power of the songs. Such as with losing an important member of a band (like loosing Carl Palmer in the 80s, and replacing him with Cozy Powell). As stated in other e-mails in this month's Digest, Cozy and Carl have two seemingly different playing styles. Sorry to say to all the Powell fans, but Carl perfected the ELP drum sound. On a similar note, Styx, sans-DeYoung, is coming to town, but how will it sound with a non Dennis sound? Jason Sobol Prog musician who got hooked on Yes and ELP --------------------------------------------- From: Dave & Jewel Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 8:30 PM To: ELP-digest Subject: RE: ELP Digest Vol. 14 #2 Heresy or ELP Cathars re: Chris Cowan post from last ELP Digest... Don't worry Chris, the modular rack is too big to haul around anymore and the stainless steel thumb screws were bought by Ringo Starr :-) BUT.... While there are as many opinions about drummers as there are drummers, through my years of seeing ELP / ELPowell / 3 etc I find myself with the opposite opinion to you when it comes to Palmer & Powell. While Cozy Powell had much better "timing" than Palmer, I always found his drumming lacked any subtlety and thus was in competition with not only Emerson but Lake's bass lines. After reading your post, I went back and listened to a recording of the 1986 Lakeland show and, particularly Pirates struck me as lacking dynamics (The ELPowell songs were great, though. Cozy Powell always seemed to be "in your face" even when the piece called for a little "less" (strange to think of someone connected to ELP being considered too bombastic.....) But, hey, that's what this list is all about....differences of opinion. I felt that 3 had the potential to be a great combo, but you are right, Palmer's timing was slightly askew, at least at the show I saw, although he seemed to be much better in the Black Moon days... David --------------------------------------------- From: BARLETB Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 10:17 AM To: elp-digest Subject: Re: Heresy or ELP Cathars Chris wrote: >>> Get the rack and the thumb screws ready: Basically, I prefer >>> Cozy's playing to Carl's. Even on songs like Tarkus and Pirates >>> (gasp!) >>> >>> I can remember sitting through "3" and later ELP shows, and >>> thinking to myself that Carl's time was "off". For me it's >>> was basically a matter of Cozy's support of vs. Carl's >>> competition with Emerson. I feel your sentiments regarding this, but only with the 2nd coming of Carl (ELP). I think that his playing was more inventive, and that he took a LOT more risks during the period prior to joining Asia (well basically his playing prior to Love Beach) Once he went through the Asia experience, his playing took on a much simpler approach while maintaining his chops (Time and Time again as well as Wildest Dreams may not have the most technical drum parts, but they are both an exercise in stamina!!!) While you may think that his time was off, I think it's his use of the electronic vs. acoustic drums during the later shows (can't speak for the "3" tour) and the way the sounds came out of the PA. Most likely if anyone's time was off it was the rest of the band since most bands tend to FOLLOW the drummer, but I sincerely doubt that anyone's time was off especially with these guys on THIS level. Listen to Tarkus on the Albert Hall live album...Besides the sounds of the electronics GRATING my ears, he seems off a tad. (and it's annoying!) I'll bet that they were spot on with each other on stage. The delay of when the stick hit the head to the time the head triggered the sample to the time that the sound made it out of the PA speakers gave it the feeling of being behind. Listen to his ride cymbal, he's on! Carl's parts suffered after his stint with Asia, even on the older tunes, it seems that he employed his "safer" style and took upon some of Cozy's less contrived parts. I really think when Carl gave up the stainless steel kit, he gave up his "voice" and became more of a garden variety drummer. Pity..he had such a FIRE in those days! But as far as Cozy, HE had just a MONSTER velocity! I sat in the 2nd row directly in front of him for an ELPowell show and I could feel the shock wave of his bass drums! His take on the older tunes was great! He didn't try to emulate Carl's style or parts, but put his own stamp on them, a true professional! (by the same token, had I gotten the nod for the drum seat, you would have heard me struggling to play Carl's parts note for note) It's all apples and oranges, but I can see your point to a degree (and I can't seem to find my thumb screws) --------------------------------------------- From: Allegra, Paul Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 4:33 PM To: elp-digest Subject: The Hall disses ELP once again! Dear John, I have once again, in a fruitless effort, contacted the Rock Hall of Fame. As you know, ELP among others deserving recognition into the Hall, have been overlooked as ZZ Top has been admitted. What a crock! Ok George Harrison deserves a solo entry but ZZ Top before ELP? It's getting ridiculous. Something has to be done. Ladies of the Lake had issued their petition to the Hall, but no one cared. I have personally contacted the hall on several occasions via e-mail, US Mail, telephone and fax. The response is always the same: The Hall does not have anything to do with the selection process. What good is it? A friend of mine who is a big Zep fan always brings up the Hall as some credible source of accolade and recognition. I will always hold the Hall as a sham until it accepts ELP, YES, Tull, Crimson and or Wakeman and Emerson on a separate basis. Also the Hall must remove Tom Petty as his contribution is no better than a Roger McGuinn impersonator. The Only Way to get the attention of the Hall would be a mass e-mailing or dare I say Googling, to point out the obvious inconsistencies in their acceptance policies. Forever these people at the heart of the matter will deny the pinnacle of Rock exploration that embodied the 70's. It is sad when people look back to the musical innovations of the 1970's and all they come away with is disco. Please help the cause. Contact the hall and hopefully an era of music won't be forgotten. Very Truly Yours, and a Garland of Martian Fire Flowers, Paul Allegra/ NJ --------------------------------------------- From: James Potry Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 4:35 PM To: elp-digest Subject: ELP for "HOF" ever? Greetings all! I watched this year's broadcast of the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame's Induction ceremony and as always I am struck by the fact that I have never even heard a RUMOUR of a possible ELP induction! What gives? Were they not one of the seminal bands of the 70's? Were they not (with Yes) originators in their time? Are they not still staples of the airwaves at least in the "Classic Rock" Format which floods today's market? Are they not sited as influences for today's musicians? Can they not draw tremendous crowds with live appearances? Are they not still making vital contributions as of this time? I have never been able to find any information on the nomination process but it seems grossly unfair if they have not even been considered as of yet. It can be argued that they are at least as worthy as some of the members already enshrined. Prince before ELP???????? Puhlease! When will justice be served? sincerely-JP --------------------------------------------- From: Trevor Nicholls Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 4:30 PM To: elp-digest Subject: Re: ELP BOOTLEG - MASTERS FROM THE VAULT Hi Pleased to see Bruce Pilato's promise of a forthcoming DVD retrospective for ELP. Can he confirm that it will be released in multizone format? I understand that the Masters from the Vault disk is (was). I am pretty fed up with the way so many concert DVDs come out for zone 1 only, with promises that other zones will follow in due course (yeah, right). ELP have a global fan base, you know. Keep up the good work T --------------------------------------------- From: Eriko Yatabe-Waldock Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 11:37 PM To: elp-digest Subject: ELPowell and Japanese pro-wrestling I found an interesting thing in the Japanese yahoo auction. "New Japan Pro-wrestling" is the title of CD, and was issued in 1991 by King Record of Japan. The CD has the theme song for the "World Pro-Wres" as well as theme songs of popular pro-wrestlers. The theme song for the federation is "The Score" composed by Keith Emerson and performed by the group called Kings. http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/66456573 I did some research and found out that it is "The Score" of ELPowell. For many Japanese pro-wrestling fans back in early 90s, "The Score" in fact was recognized as the theme music for the New Japan Pro-wrestling Federation. Other music used in the Japanese pro-wrestling then were Led Zep, Camel, Van Halen, Rainbow, Cozy Powell, and King Crimson. Cage by King Crimson was used as the opening tune for JWP Woman Pro-Wrestling TV broadcast. Others were used as theme music for individual wrestlers. When I first saw the listing in the yahoo auction, I thought it was the April Fool's joke. Eriko Yatabe-Waldock --------------------------------------------- From: GregAE Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 3:08 PM To: elp-digest Subject: New Concerto for fans of ELP Dear ELP fans, I've found a recording of a classical concerto that reminds me much of Keith Emerson's First Concerto as heard on Works Vol. 1. It's Michel Camilo's recording of the Concerto for Piano and Orchestra (Decca 289-468-817-2). The piece was commissioned by the National Symphony Orchestra of Washington, DC, but the CD was actually recorded in London by Michel Camilo and the BBC Symphony Orchestra under Leonard Slatkin, conductor. The CD was released in 2001, so it shouldn't be hard to find. The concerto is in the classic three-movement form, with the first movement a free-form fantasy, clocking in at 15:52. The second movement is a ballad with two short cadenzas (8:04). The third and final movement is a virtuoso romp for the piano and orchestra (5:39). Michel Camilo's playing is quite "Emersonesque" at times, especially in the first and third movements, and it's easy to imagine Keith playing the piece. Perhaps this can fill the void as we await the completion and recording of Keith's Second Concerto. Cheers to all! Greg --------------------------------------------- From: Howard Pegram Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 4:17 PM To: ELP Digest Subject: ELP Video Found a ELP video here in Canberra Australia last week. Its a 25th anniversary VHS video at $49:95. ELP video's seem hard to get here, but their music (records and Cd's) are common thought. No Emerson, Lake & Powell though. Any other Australians found video's in their state? --------------------------------------------- From: notme7 Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 7:50 PM To: elp-digest Subject: ELP in DARKWOOD Hi, John and All.... While reading a newly published book, a supernatural thriller entitled 'DARKWOOD' by David Brianza, I came across an unexpected a reference to our 'boys'. On page 84 of my paperback copy, one of the characters (a slightly disheveled electronics whiz named Wokowski) is described as wearing "...ragged, torn jeans and a faded black T-shirt listing the 1998 tour dates of the rock band, Emerson, Lake & Palmer..." It's highly unusual to find such a reference in an unassociated work of fiction! I think Mr. Brianza (obviously a fan) may have taken license with the dating in order to fit the ELP detail into the time frame of his story. The book, by the way, is excellent. A real page-turner that I highly recommend. Especially since it was written by one of "us"! Thanks for keeping up with this Digest, John. We all appreciate it. GGS =========================== Questions (and Answers!) =========================== From: charles c Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 10:35 PM To: elp digest Subject: emos bike info Can anyone tell me the truth about this bike? (Editor: the author is referring to one of the pictures of Keith with his motorcycle featuring the Giger/Brain Salad Surgery painting on the gas tank, etc.) Does anyone know what kind of Harley Davidson bike this is? What year, what engine? What model? Does anyone know if it was stolen from his house, and did he get it back? Thank you very much for any information you can provide. --------------------------------------------- From: Jacek, Ron (R.J.) Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 12:23 PM To: elp-digest Subject: Question about 1996 Brain Salad Surgery remaster I have the 1996 Brain Salad Surgery remaster with the changing 3D cover & band interviews. I was recently listening to it and started to experiment with the various DSP surround modes on my Yamaha receiver. When I turned on the Dolby ProLogic setting I was surprised to hear that the CD was actually seperated into 5 channels. Normally if the CD is not mixed into 5 channels all of the music would just come from the center channel speaker. But to my amazement the vocals only came from the center and the instruments toggled back and forth from the left, right and rear speakers. This CD predates the new DVD audio edition. Is it possible that the 1996 release was mixed in Dolby ProLogic as a prelude to the new DVD audio version? Or have I somehow purchased a beta copy of the DVD audio version. I know my audio equipment very well and there is no mistaking the fact that this is a 5 channel recording. Ron Jacek CAD Specialist Facility Services Building --------------------------------------------- From: NC Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 4:43 PM To: elp-digest Subject: for next avail digest just wondering if my english alter ego is still out there reading the digests...neil corkindale, formerly of cleveland, australia, manchester, instanbul and other points around the globe, get in touch if you would. patty and i look forward to hearing from you. all the best, neil c. cortland, oh =========================== ELP-related products, tribute bands, promoters (The ELP Digest does not endorse, etc.) =========================== From: neil wood Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 5:33 PM To: elp-digest Subject: elp cds and memorabilia I have a large collection of genuine ELP cds plus Carl Palmers Anthology, 1992 British Tour booklet and Autographed Manticore 4CD box set all for sale. Sensible offers accepted on all items. For sale in UK only. Please e-mail me. neil.woody@ntlworld.com --------------------------------------------- From: Ray Harasek Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 8:42 AM To: elp-digest Subject: Masters From The Vault Just an FYI, I just received an e-mail from Amazon.com advertising the Masters From The Vault dvd on sale for $20.99 (american). I know there were posts saying companies were probably going to stop offering it since it was unauthorized but I just place an order for a copy. I was also able to pick up a used but in good condition of Keith Emerson's autobiography in hardcopy as it's no longer available and so far have enjoyed the first three chapters... ray aka "elp9fan at aol.com" Ray Harasek =========================== EDITOR'S NOTE: I hope we can come to terms with our differences of opinion about whether fans care about Greg's religious beliefs or not. I've allowed the question to be asked and a few people to respond. There are a few more responses in this edition. However, I must note that what seemed a simple question by a fellow reader is coming dangerously close to a 'flame war' which I won't permit in the Digest. So, I hope to leave the flames aside from now on and will ask that we all try to focus on the ELP/music aspect of the question. Otherwise, we'll just have to drop it. I hope you understand. The ELP Digest has been around for 13+ years and I don't want to see its participants engage in anything but polite and intelligent discussion. I know it's a highly personal topic and I will trust that together we can make it work. Be nice! 'nuff said. - John - =========================== From: Peter Wilton Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 4:24 AM To: ELP-digest Subject: Re: ELP Digest Vol. 14 #2 >From: GGS >Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 3:49 PM >To: elp-digest >Subject: A Fan Of Father Christmas > >....a response to a post in ELP Digest 01 Feb 2004, > Volume 14 : Issue 1..... > >>I wish someone would clear this up for me. Is Greg Lake an atheist or >>not? > >Who cares? Will you like his music less if he doesn't meet your >religious litmus test? Would you be less of a fan of Greg if he >proclaimed himself Buddhist? Islamic? Zoroastrian? Shinto?.... or >Atheist? What has the question to do with being "more of a fan" or less? I haven't thought about whether religious belief affects the music in Lake's case, but, for example, the Lutheran texts Bach set to music can only affect one's perception of his music deeply. There is a relevant question to be answered, which you dismiss only because of a bilious view of religion which you wear on your sleeve! Both music and religion in some times and places unite, in others divide. Ethnomusicologists (who study the music of different cultures from an anthropological perspective) all say that they have to start from the beginning when they encounter a different musical system, their training in their own musical culture not being useful for understanding any other. There is no universal, "unifying" musical language. The question was a perfectly reasonable one, and the questioner should not be attacked. I suspect the answer may be that Lake doesn't think about these things very much at all, but I may well be wrong. -- Peter Wilton The Gregorian Association Web Site: http://www.beaufort.demon.co.uk --------------------------------------------- From: Mike Florio Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 4:54 AM To: elp-digest Subject: re: A Fan Of Father Christmas In response to GGS : >> "I personally hope that Greg is an honest and fair minded atheist, >> like me (hopefully)." So you consider yourself nothing but a randomly evolved glob of protein molecules, but you then go on to imply an absolute moral judgment regarding what therefore can only be randomly evolved concepts such as honesty and fairness ? In fact your whole post implies moral judgments on music, religion and society. I wonder on what grounds you deem something to be 'good' since according to your logic 'good' can have no real meaning. It is just random and relative. As C.S. Lewis might say: "If there is no God, we could have never possibly discovered it." --------------------------------------------- From: Doug Graham Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 9:46 AM To: elp-digest Subject: Who cares? In response to the entry from GGS in 14:2, I am sorry that the subject of religion is such an emotionally charged subject for the writer, but to bash someone for asking a question about someone's religious beliefs is surely not the route to world peace. I've been a fan of ELP since the first time I heard "Lucky Man" on an "underground radio station" in Pittsburgh in 1970. I believe that understanding the beliefs that contribute to an artist's work (religious or not) gives the hearer a deeper understanding of what the artist is trying to express in their music. As a clergy person in the Christian church, I don't think any less of GGS because she/he has atheistic beliefs, neither would I condemn ELP members for their religious beliefs. I hope that philosophical and religious discussions concerning ELP aren't banned from the Digest, just because of misunderstandings readers have of various philosophies and religious beliefs. Peace, Doug Graham =========================== Digest subscription, mailing address, and administrative stuff to: elp-digest-request@reluctant.com ELP-related info that you want to put in the digest to: elp-digest@reluctant.com Back issues are available from the ELP Digest web site: URL: http://www.brain-salad.com/ Note: The opinions, information, etc. contained in this digest are those of the original message sender listed in each message. They are not necessarily those of the mailing list/digest administrator or those of any institution through whose computers/networks this mail flows. Unless otherwise noted, the individual authors of each entry in the Digest are the copyright holders of that entry. Please respect that copyright and act accordingly. I especially ask that you not redistribute the ELP Digest in whole or in part without acknowledging the original source of the digest and each author. Thanks! End of ELP Digest [Volume 14, Issue 3] **************************************