ELP Digest 14 May 2004 Volume 14 : Issue 4 The "I'll Be There, I'll Be There, I Will Be There" Edition Today's Topics: Breaking News, Rumors, Etc. - Keith Emerson in Sayreville, NJ LIVE (May 1, 2004) Reader Commentary - Going to Emo at BB's (May 14, 2003) - Re: The Hall disses ELP once again! (April 13, 2004) - Re: ELP Digest Vol. 14 #3 (April 13, 2004) - Emerson Orchestra Sample in new Hip-Hop-Track (April 14, 2004) - Re: The "Emo Was ELP" Myth (April 15, 2004) - Karn Evil 9 Performance (April 18, 2004) - ELP Tourlist -update- (April 21, 2004) - ELP bumper music (April 21, 2004) Questions (and Answers!) - re: Question about 1996 Brain Salad Surgery remaster (April 16, 2004) - ELP Digest Vol. 14 #3 (BSS Remaster) (April 23, 2004) - Re: ELP Digest Vol. 14 #3 (April 17, 2004) - ELP-Seeking Dr. Brent Wood (April 18, 2004) - Montreal 1977 Concert - DVD Release? (May 8, 2004) ELP-related products, tribute bands, promoters (The ELP Digest does not endorse, etc.) - Noddy's Puncture update... (April 19, 2004) - DVD ELP fans should check out (April 29, 2004) - A History of Progressive Rock (May 3, 2004) - (on behalf of an ELP Digest reader) ELP Memorabilia for sale (May 4, 2004) =========================== Prelude =========================== Hi. The countdown is beginning for next week's shows of "The Keith Emerson Band" in New York and New Jersey. In case anyone cares, I should be at the Friday night (5/21) show at BB King's in NYC. I hope to meet some new ELP Digest readers there. For those in the area, you'll note (in an email below) that there's an additional show in New Jersey on Thursday night. This edition also highlights some opinions about the lack of an ELP nomination in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, news of an Emo sample in a new hip-hop track, an ELP Digest reader looking for Brent Wood (or his ELP transcriptions), and more. I've also received a few email messages about the new policy of not including the return email addresses of ELP Digest postings. I started doing this earlier in the year. Here's why... In the past few months, I've had a number of people tell me that spammers appear to have started to take their efforts to the next level and are now scanning web pages more aggressively for email addresses. This means that some people had started to get spam email because their email addresses were on the ELP Digest web site in the Back Issues section. A few people have asked me to remove their email addresses from back issues on the web and not include them in future Digests. I can affirm this activity has happened since there are some email addresses for me on the web site (e.g., elp-digest at reluctant.com) that only exist on the web site and their spam activity has increased. This leaves with the problem of wanting people to feel comfortable posting to the Digest and I want to continue to put all the back issues on the web. For now, I have decided that it's best to leave off the return addresses. (Though I keep the email around for a little while in case I ever needed to get in touch with a particular author.) I suppose there are other alternatives such as email a version with the email addresses and then remove them before posting them on the web. But this is an extra step and more work than I'm sure I have time to do (as well as having to remember to do it). If you've got any other ideas for how I can try to balance the desire for not being added to spam lists, privacy, etc., please let me know. I'm trying to do the right thing and, so far, have taken a path that addresses the concerns and is easiest for me. But, I'll always consider other approaches. I hope this helps explain why I changed that part of the format of the ELP Digest. - John - ------------------------------ Latest News from the Official ELP sites .... New things on Keith's site include pix backstage at Yes with actor Jack Black ... and news about a radio interview that was to take place last Friday. Anyone catch it? Please send a recap! Visit: http://www.keithemerson.com/News/whatsnew.html Greg's site has all kinds of new goodies, including audio and pix from the new Who single (Greg plays bass!) ... and a clip from Sting's guitarist Dominic Miller with a clip of "From the Beginning" ... Check it all out at: http://www.greglake.com/newsite/index.asp http://www.greglake.com/newsite/newhotsheet.asp Carl's home page has been revamped with a new look and a new picture! There's a note reminding you to check in weekly - new drum clinic dates are being added weekly. Check out all of the news at: http://www.carlpalmer.com/news.html http://www.carlpalmer.com/dcuk.html P.S. If you didn't happen to be in the U.S. during the airing of the final episode of the popular sitcom "Friends," you'll be happy to know that the two-hour extravaganza began with the familiar strains of KE9 Impression 1 Pt.2. (Welcome Back My Friends....) Wonder which one of the producers/cast members is a fan ...? Enjoy! =========================== Breaking News, Rumors, Etc. =========================== From: MikeOConnor Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 12:19 AM To: elp-digest Subject: Keith Emerson in Sayreville, NJ LIVE Keith will also be performing at Starland Ballroom on Jernee Road, Sayreville NJ on May 20th. Pass it on....... Good Place to see a band. Close to my home. =========================== Reader Commentary =========================== From: Allegra, Paul Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 9:25 AM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Going to Emo at BB's Dear John, I'll be there friday night. Get the May issue rolling so fellow Digest subscribers can coordinate. I will try to make Moogfest which might be the one and only chance at seeing Emo and Wakey on the same stage. For anyone not familiar with BB-Kings, get there early, at least 30 minutes before the doors open. It is first come first serve seating. It gets crowded fast. Make sure that your entire group is with you or they won't seat you together. I'd hate to be stuck at the bar or by the restrooms. The floor gets jammed up. They tend to put too many chairs in an area that has little elbow room. Don't be surprised if you get a drink spilled on you, it's just difficult for the wait staff to maneuver. The stage is not too deep but if you are in the stage area, you'll see and hear everything well. Hopefully they don't set Emo stage right. Bad lighting on the right and a tight squeeze. The tables on the far left of the stage are in an awful position for viewing. Well, hope this helps - Thanks - Paul Allegra - New Jersey --------------------------------------------- From: Linda Dachtyl Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 7:45 PM To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Re: The Hall disses ELP once again! (March 23, 2004) Wish I could be more positive on this subject, but I think we as ELP and prog music lovers in general are jewels among the media lemmings of this world. Rock press has done all it can since the advent of punk to discredit anything that even SMELLS of prog or skillful playing of instruments in rock, pushing the envelope, etc.. etc.... I can only hope the "average Joe" reads beyond the reviews. I really have my doubts. The jam band crowd seems to be the only open-minded listeners. Still this is not prog. Keith, Jon Lord, and Rick Wakeman are the reasons I am a Hammond and keyboard player. Bonham and Bruford are why I am a drummer. I know Zep is recognized (thank heaven for small favors). I got into jazz artists much later. These rockers are why I got started and the jazzers carried me through when the music biz hit rock bottom in the 80's......... and has yet to fully recover. Carole King, Karen Carpenter or the drummer from the Go Go's never had any influence on my getting involved in the music world unlike many people tried to say when I was a teenager. And certainly NOT EVER the Sex Pistols and all ad nauseum facsimiles that seem to continually grow like mold around these parts. I have fought all my playing life to do prog. Even many good musicians believe the rock journalism against prog and shy away from it. I can only find my niche playing jazz or original rock and roll that has prog elements. All my prog projects have been short lived, but certainly not because of quality. I live in a town that continually remakes the Ramones :-P I have made much money playing "Mustang Sally" and similar drivel to the lemming crowd in cover bands. Pays for my gear to do what I want to do for next to no money. I do not think the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame will ever change their minds about putting a prog artist in there. Still we carry on as we should to change this, but I would not get upset if it never happens. Put on Tarkus, Anglagard, or whatever and just know that you are among the chosen few who care to not buy into the world of musical non-substance. I certainly can agree with having the Beatles or 60's and 70's R'nB artists in the Hall of Fame. However, I visited it once and have next to no desire to go back. Their CD store was like Walmart. Linda Dachtyl http://www.waltjames.com http://www.dachtyl.com/log.html http://www.dachtyl.com/LDB3.html --------------------------------------------- From: mike mitcheltree Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 10:56 PM To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Re: ELP Digest Vol. 14 #3 (in reply to JP, last issue) According to a Chicago rock critic who worked for the Rolling Stone at one time, the R+R HOF is controlled by Jan Wenner who pretty much decides who gets nominated and admitted. Who was the first rock journalist admitted? Jan Wenner himself. I don't recall what kind of reviews ELP used to get in RS, but that may have some bearing on their lack of recognition. Mike M. [ Editor's Note: As I recall, Rolling Stone reviews of ELP albums were never very good. Not quite as entertainingly bad as the reviews in the Village Voice. But the Rolling Stone reviews have always been more about politics and lyrics than about music. - John - ] --------------------------------------------- From: Adrian Altenstrasser Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 10:24 AM To: elp-digest-request@reluctant.com Subject: Emerson Orchestra Sample in new Hip-Hop-Track Hello John, My name is Adrian Donald Altenstrasser from Passau (Bavaria/Germany), I am 18 years old and in ELP music since I was 10 when I heared "Touch And Go" (new version) hammering out of the CD-player in my father's car. Since then I got all ELP and Nice-records in vinyl, but unfortunately I missed the 1997 tour because all South German dates were in the middle of the week and my mother forced me to go to school. I started playing drums and percussion, but now I am mainly engaged in Hip Hop music in a crew called "AFG" where I do some producing. I often thought about linking HipHop and ELP-sounds and we had some experiments trying to integrate a Carl Drum-sample, which was looped and filtered in my old Prophet-sampler into a HipHop-track. I even met Carl in Hannover in May 2002, we did some photos and autographs, but I never told him about that....I heard about some techno-remixes (Fatboy Slim etc) and the "Re-Works", but I never heard about ELP in a HipHop- or Rap-environment. But recently I got the record "AFU-RA PRESENTS PERVERTED MONKS Vol.1" released in February 2004 0n Life Force Records. The 3rd track "GULLY", produced by PF Cuttin in NYC sounded VERY familiar to me. The complete thing is based on a sample of the piano riff and the first orchestral chords of the 3rd Movement from Keith's Piano Concerto No.1! The sound is very cool because the riff is not REALLY funky, but sounds funky somehow when the programmed beats and the rapper's flow come in. I hope that AFU-RA will not get involved in problems with Keith for using this sample, but I think that this issue was cleared before releasing the record. But I also think that every ELP-fan should know and hear this. --------------------------------------------- From: Nick Zales Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 9:24 PM To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Re: The "Emo Was ELP" Myth I'm glad to see Greg and Carl fans speak their minds. But as far as naming songs they wrote to support their theory, they named one - Lucky Man - best known for it's Moog solo at the end. Getting Peter Sinfield to help is a sign of weakness, not strength. In Prog, you either have the chops or you don't. Carl did, but lacked songwriting ability. Greg could sing but his playing was basically adequate. He often simply plays doubled lines or runs that Emerson must have written. The proof is in the pudding, look at the commentary in any ELP digest and 75% of it is about Emerson. Emerson is ELP. Lake and Palmer are good at what they do, but they were along for Keith's ride. Production credits and fan polls mean nothing. That's puffery. The only real important measure is on vinyl, CD and DVD and while Carl and Greg wrote a handful of great tunes, every other great ELP song - and there are many - is Emerson. Nick --------------------------------------------- From: Mike Myers Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 4:20 PM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Karn Evil 9 Performance I will be giving a performance of Lucky Man and the entire 1st Impression from Karn Evil 9 with my high school percussion ensemble on May 20, 2004 at Poteet High School, 3300 Poteet Drive, Mesquite, TX, USA. Admission is free. As far as I know, Karn Evil 9 has never been performed by a high school percussion ensemble, so it should be a real treat. My percussion group is a big one, over 20 people, and includes mallet keyboard instruments, a rhythm section, female vocalist, and a five piece horn section. I plan on getting an audio and video tape of the concert and hope to even have a streaming video up sometime in the future on our high school's band website. Stay tuned! I also want to thank fellow Digest reader Dr. Brent Wood for providing me with his excellent transcription of Karn Evil 9 several years ago. A couple more side notes about the concert. I contacted Will Alexander last summer to see about having Keith Emerson come in and perform with us. Alexander seemed very open to the concept and had me send him a CD of the group and a formal proposal which I did. However, I never heard back from Will or Keith. In addition to Lucky Man and Karn Evil 9, we are also performing another tune which is related to ELP, Maple Leaf Rag. If you're anywhere in the vicinity of Dallas/Mesquite, TX come on by and See The Show on May 20th Mike Myers Percussion Director Poteet High School Mesquite, TX --------------------------------------------- From: family.friederich Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 6:25 AM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: ELP Tourlist -update- Hi all, the work on the tourlist is still going on. (ELP on Tour @ www.covers-at-an-exhibition.de ) We've got an overwhelming number of emails with informations, scans, offers to help - it was really beyound all our expectations. So, we'd like to say THANKS !!! to all of you, you really have been a big help with this project and without all of your contributions it wouldn't be as far as it is now. With all this help we were able to solve some mysteries with the tourdates, but there are still some to do. So, we'd like to ask you again to have a look please, if you can find the concerts you have seen, if you know about more dates, changed venues etc. Any help is really appreciated ! Thanks a lot again to all people who made this possible !! Best wishes Paolo and Gudrun --------------------------------------------- From: TARKUSHEAD Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 8:33 AM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: ELP bumper music Hi All! Just happend to notice, as a regular listener of the overnight radio talk show "Coast to Coast", that George Noory plays "Endless Enigma" & "Fanfare", among others, as bumper music between the show & commercials. Also, last digest, James Potry brought up the issue as to why ELP had not been inducted into the rock Hall of Fame. I thought they had already been inducted several years ago, if I'm not mistaken. Finally, John, thanks for all the years & work you've put into the digest - much appreciated! Aloha, Rick Alhadeff Honolulu =========================== Questions (and Answers!) =========================== From: mflorio Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 9:49 PM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: re: Question about 1996 Brain Salad Surgery remaster That's just the way Dolby ProLogic works. Based on the way an album was recorded, it will translate better/worse into a multi-channel psuedo separation. If it's a cd, then it's impossible to have anything other than stereo audio on the disc. You are hearing the vocals in the center because they were placed there in the original stereo mix. The ProLogic is simply exaggerating this. But if you listen, I'm sure you will hear vocal *ambience* on the other channels. This is basic mixing - you separate the source from the ambience (reverb/delay) in the stereo field. I believe the DVD-A of BSS was actually a 5.1 remix, and not the original stereo master simply processed for psuedo surround (like what ProLogic does). Mike --------------------------------------------- From: Chris Cowan Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 2:21 PM To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Subject: ELP Digest Vol. 14 #3 (BSS Remaster) (reply to Ron Jacek, last issue) Absolutely cool. It appears that you aren't the only one with a copy. I saw this post, and grabbed mine. (Probably bought it from Amazon or CDNow.com). Low and behold, it has a 5.1 channel mix. I had to force the receiver into the right mode, but the minute I dropped the CD into my Sony 5 Disc changer, the Blue light went on. I have some other releases from Rhino. Now I'm going to have to look at the rest of my CD collection to see if there's any other surprises in there. After looking at their website, they have a logo next to some of the CDs that says. "Remastered in RhinoPhonic, Ultimate Sound". And, yes there are several ELP rereleases in this format. Regards, Chris Cowan --------------------------------------------- From: Carlos Alberto Teixeira Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 11:43 PM To: ELP-digest@reluctant.com Subject: Re: ELP Digest Vol. 14 #3 Dear ELP'ers. Does anyone here have (or know where to find) the complete Mater Tenebrarum's lyrics in Latin? BTW, found this review of the 1980 movie by Dario Argento, mentioning Emerson: http://www.digitalmediatree.com/tommoody/date/2002/05/ "Although the acting is fairly poor, the dialogue stilted, and the plot non-existent, this movie--as the Re/Search book Incredibly Strange Films notes--is about as close as one gets to the flow and feel of a dream. I would attribute the mood to the bravura visuals-- classically composed still shots a la Peter Greenaway; planes of saturated color winking on and off as characters move through a outrageous deco sets; swooping lens movements worthy of Sam Raimi's "wraithCam"--working in tandem with the gorgeous, occasionally incongruous prog-rock stylings of ELP keyboard whiz Keith Emerson. Scenes of great formal beauty are intermittently jarred by stabbings, immolations, strangulations, eyeball-gougings, and rodent attacks, all fairly gratuitous (just like in real life!), and Emerson's synthesizer flailings are equally prone to erupt without warning-- often to miraculous effect. The music that accompanies one woman's taxi ride through the rainswept streets of Rome is wild and offbeat and sticks with you, and the Gregorian finale--the repeated incantation "Suspiriorum, Lachrymarum, Tenebrarum," referring to the "mothers" (all of them witches) who cause the film's mayhem--sounds like a rock opera version of Orff's "Carmina Burana" (it's hokey, but trust me, it works!). I have also seen Suspiria, but prefer this film on the level of pure, macabre experience." --- Best energies. - c.a.t. iis.com.br/~cat/ --------------------------------------------- From: Mike Myers Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 4:12 PM To: elp-digest-request@reluctant.com Subject: ELP-Seeking Dr. Brent Wood Hi John, About ten years I contacted a fellow Digest reader named Dr. Brent Wood. At that time he was a medical doctor in Seattle who in his spare time had transcribed all of Karn Evil 9. He was very generous and sent me a copy of his transcription. I would like to get in touch with him again now and thank him again for the transcription and also tell him that I recently used that transcription to do an arrangement of Karn Evil 9 which will be performed next month with my percussion ensemble in Mesquite, TX. I think that he is probably a digest reader. If there is a privacy issue with releasing his email address, could you simply forward my email to him and see if he would respond to me? Thank You Mike Myers [ Editor's Note: I have tried contacting Brent at the old email address I had from many, many years ago. If Brent (or someone who knows him) can contact me, I'll pass the word along. The whole 'ELP community' owes a bug 'thanks!' for those transcriptions. - John - ] --------------------------------------------- From: Michael SELWYN Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 12:49 PM To: elp-digest-request@reluctant.com Subject: Montreal 1977 Concert - DVD Release? Is there any chance of the 1977 Montreal concert video getting a Led Zeppelin-style makeover, and being released on DVD? Will the Montreal concert be included on the forthcoming ELP retrospective DVD? Michael Selwyn =========================== ELP-related products, tribute bands, promoters (The ELP Digest does not endorse, etc.) =========================== From: noddy Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 7:57 PM To: ELP Digest Subject: Noddy's Puncture update... Tom from 'Noddy's Puncture' reporting in again. Was wondering if you could put a note in the next ELP-Digest about a couple of dates we have currently in the diary? 'Moses Gate' - tribute venue in Farnworth near Bolton, Lancashire on Sunday the 13th of June. 'The Fishermans Inn' at Hollingworth Lake, between Rochdale and Littleborough, Lancashire on Saturday the 10th of July. Please see our website for more upcoming dates: www.noddyspuncture.co.uk updated as and when they come in. We also add links to the venues sites where you can find their maps and info etc... Many Thanks and Cheers. TOM --------------------------------------------- From: Alistair Billam Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 8:25 AM To: ELP-digest Subject: DVD ELP fans should check out Hello folks, Despite subscribing to the digest for over 7 years, I've never posted anything. It was always my plan to write an epic of an arrival - laying down what was good about ELP, where they went wrong, what my favourite memories were, what it was like in the 'wilderness' years........so it's good that I never got 'round to it! Instead I just want to let everyone know that the British BBC comedy sketch show 'Big Train' is coming out on DVD during May. Some UK readers will know why this is significant - there's a sketch featuring 'Keith Emerson' in season two (the two disc set contains both seasons one and two). Obviously, I don't want to ruin it for those who are about to see it, but if enough of you ask, I will tell you what happens. All the best (who knows, maybe I will send another one day) Alistair Billam Huddersfield, UK --------------------------------------------- From: John Greenway Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 2:12 PM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: A History of Progressive Rock Just picked up a new double CD for £6.99 which has two ELP tracks - "The Barbarian" (Complete) and "Take A Pebble" (6 mins 42 secs - only up to the end of Lake's solo) Source is "Masters From The Vaults" - the DVD mentioned in the recent Digest. The CD has a little booklet with several pictures but no notes. Other acts featured include Barclay James Harvest, Rick Wakeman and John Wetton. The set is copyright 2004 Recording Arts Dejavu Retro Gold Collection and is made in Germany. John Greenway - Manchester. --------------------------------------------- On-Behalf-Of: Darren Morgan Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 5:55 PM To: elp-digest@reluctant.com Subject: (on behalf of an ELP Digest reader) ELP Memorabilia for sale The ELP Digest has been contacted by Darren Morgan (who has asked me to list his email address: morgandarren@hotmail.com) who is selling some ELP Memorabilia. As usual, the ELP Digest does not endorse any kinds of sales and I have never met Darren other than the email he has sent me. However, since he sent me a Word document and photos that I can't readily include in the ELP Digest, I am paraphrasing what he has asked me to post in the Digest. If you are interested in these items, please contact Darren directly at the email address listed above. The ELP Digest has no interest or connection with this other than passing on information I have received. Here's what he sent me as a list of what he has for sale: "one (1) Emerson, Lake and Palmer, Solid Gold Disc Mounted in gold frame with glass front. Plaque mounted on the disc states: Presented by: Island Records Ltd To Greg Lake Commemorating the Sale of More than 100,000 copies Of the Long Playing Record 'Pictures at an Exhibition' Tracks Listed on Disc: 1. Promenade 2. The Gnome 3. Promenade 4. The Sage 5. The Old Castle 6. Blues Variation PICTURES OF AN EXHIBITION 1971 === one (1) Emerson, Lake and Palmer, Platinum Disc mounted in a wooden frame with navy velvet. Plaque mounted on the disc states: Warner-Pioneer Japan Congratulates Keith Emerson On The Superlative Album Emerson Lake & Palmer "Love Beach" 1979 === two (2) Emerson, Lake and Palmer Gold Plated Discs mounted in a wooden frame with navy velvet. Plaques mounted on the discs state: Warner-Pioneer Japan Congratulates E.L & P On The Superlative Album "Works Volume 1" 1977 === one (1) Emerson, Lake and Palmer, Platinum Disc mounted in a wooden frame with navy velvet. Plaque mounted on the disc states: Warner-Pioneer Japan Congratulates Stuart Young On The Superlative Album "Emerson, Lake and Palmer In Concert" " Darren has sent me digital photos of the discs that I have placed on the brain-salad.com web site since they are of general fan interest. You can see them at: http://www.brain-salad.com/Graphics/elp-images-home.html#Memorabilia So, if you're interested, please contact Darren directly. And remember, I am only providing this information. Do your own due diligence if you're interested in them. =========================== Digest subscription, mailing address, and administrative stuff to: elp-digest-request@reluctant.com ELP-related info that you want to put in the digest to: elp-digest@reluctant.com Back issues are available from the ELP Digest web site: http://www.brain-salad.com/ Note: The opinions, information, etc. contained in this digest are those of the original message sender listed in each message. They are not necessarily those of the mailing list/digest administrator or those of any institution through whose computers/networks this mail flows. Unless otherwise noted, the individual authors of each entry in the Digest are the copyright holders of that entry. Please respect that copyright and act accordingly. I especially ask that you not redistribute the ELP Digest in whole or in part without acknowledging the original source of the digest and each author. Thanks! 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